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"Each year, 1.35 million people are killed on roadways around the world." https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/global-road-safety/index.html https://www.cdc.gov

by rdubz 4y ago

"Each year, 1.35 million people are killed on roadways around the world." https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/global-road-safety/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/global-road-safety/index... Seems to me that traffic deaths are "caused by" humans... not totally surprised they have decided those don't count, but I feel that that's wrong.

coopsmoss 4y ago
Probably excluded because they're deemed unintentional. Of course the mosquitoes don't kill us intentionally either.
ironhaven 4y ago
Well... cars are the dominant species on the planet so it makes sense not to count them as human caused deaths.
- readme 4y ago
  s/on the planet/in the US/
  - sgustard 4y ago
    US is 6th, so not far off, but fewer cars per person than the rampant car culture of ... Iceland and New Zealand? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_...
    - bluepizza 4y ago
      Even in Europe, cars are quite common for everyone. Maybe less for the middle class in big cities, but the traffic in London and Paris is quite terrible.
    - mrpopo 4y ago
      The US is a pretty disparate place. Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_vehicles_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_vehicle... If you compare to Iceland and New Zealand, you have to compare with rural US states. But still, not as bad as I thought TBH.
    - opportune 4y ago
      In many of those countries there are so many cars because they’re needed during peak tourist season And guess where those tourists are from
throwaway0a5e 4y ago
By that logic pretty much every accidental death that's a result of the modern world would be "caused by humans". House fires, heavy equipment mishaps, cancer from exposure to exotic man-made substances, overdoses, icy staircases, it's a long, long list. Seems to me that adding all that crap in would make the category so broad as to defeat the point of categorizing. IDK if that was your point or if you just wanted your pet issue in the category.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  ... old age.
- skinnymuch 4y ago
  We have many ways to lower car accidents and deaths in a country like the US. No effort is given to public transportation. Not counting them wouldn’t make sense unless enough effort was put in to lower those numbers. An accidental house fire isn’t the same thing at all. There weren’t major decisions made to purposefully allow sprawl and lack of funding into something that lowers house fires.
incompatible 4y ago
If mosquitoes are being credited with all the deaths by illness that they cause, it seems fair to credit humans for unintentional deaths also.
rossdavidh 4y ago
Interesting case, but some of these are more like suicides (intentional or otherwise), and I think we were talking about one organism killing another. But still, you're correct, some significant portion of these must be one human killed by the actions of another.

by rdubz 4y ago

coopsmoss 4y ago

Probably excluded because they're deemed unintentional. Of course the mosquitoes don't kill us intentionally either.

ironhaven 4y ago

Well... cars are the dominant species on the planet so it makes sense not to count them as human caused deaths.

readme 4y ago
s/on the planet/in the US/
- sgustard 4y ago
  US is 6th, so not far off, but fewer cars per person than the rampant car culture of ... Iceland and New Zealand? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_...
  - bluepizza 4y ago
    Even in Europe, cars are quite common for everyone. Maybe less for the middle class in big cities, but the traffic in London and Paris is quite terrible.
  - mrpopo 4y ago
    The US is a pretty disparate place. Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_vehicles_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_vehicle... If you compare to Iceland and New Zealand, you have to compare with rural US states. But still, not as bad as I thought TBH.
  - opportune 4y ago
    In many of those countries there are so many cars because they’re needed during peak tourist season And guess where those tourists are from

throwaway0a5e 4y ago

By that logic pretty much every accidental death that's a result of the modern world would be "caused by humans". House fires, heavy equipment mishaps, cancer from exposure to exotic man-made substances, overdoses, icy staircases, it's a long, long list. Seems to me that adding all that crap in would make the category so broad as to defeat the point of categorizing. IDK if that was your point or if you just wanted your pet issue in the category.

ncmncm 4y ago
... old age.
skinnymuch 4y ago
We have many ways to lower car accidents and deaths in a country like the US. No effort is given to public transportation. Not counting them wouldn’t make sense unless enough effort was put in to lower those numbers. An accidental house fire isn’t the same thing at all. There weren’t major decisions made to purposefully allow sprawl and lack of funding into something that lowers house fires.

incompatible 4y ago

If mosquitoes are being credited with all the deaths by illness that they cause, it seems fair to credit humans for unintentional deaths also.

rossdavidh 4y ago

Interesting case, but some of these are more like suicides (intentional or otherwise), and I think we were talking about one organism killing another. But still, you're correct, some significant portion of these must be one human killed by the actions of another.