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> wasn't going to go anywhere because of his attitude. Which ain't right, and its far more praiseworthy to make noise about that in an attempt to fix it than i

> wasn't going to go anywhere because of his attitude. Which ain't right, and its far more praiseworthy to make noise about that in an attempt to fix it than it is to submit to "go along, get along." Especially when the latter is so often corrosive to society.

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PaulHoule 4y ago
In this case of that individual it was not his views so much as the dehumanizing way in which he expressed them. When I said that he "hated" Barack Obama I meant it literally: it wasn't like he preferred John McCain or Mitt Romney or wanted to repeal the A.C.A. it was that he saw Barack Obama as a satanic character. The most corrosive thing about the current political situation is that many people believe that one political party is absolutely evil (more than believe the other is good.) Thus you really have a lot of people who think they have only one choice when election season comes around so we aren't seeing a competition to: not be corrupt, have peace and prosperity, efficient government services, etc. Back in the 1980s I saw Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill as honorable people who fought hard for opposing views but could also come together and compromise and it just doesn't seem that way today.
- webmaven 4y ago
  > Back in the 1980s I saw Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill as honorable people who fought hard for opposing views but could also come together and compromise and it just doesn't seem that way today. Yeah. Up until that point both parties occasionally played hardball, but compromised and made deals to get legislation passed. Afterwards, starting with Gingrich's "Contract with America" one party made "no compromise" a core value to rally the "base" and get them to the polls. Centrist Democrats kept compromising for a while to bring the GOP to the table, but eventually wised up that the goalposts kept being moved and started digging in their own heels. But it is worth noting that as a result of GOP brinksmanship today's Democratic party is largely to the right of Nixon, and Obama and Biden are to the right of Reagan.

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PaulHoule 4y ago

In this case of that individual it was not his views so much as the dehumanizing way in which he expressed them. When I said that he "hated" Barack Obama I meant it literally: it wasn't like he preferred John McCain or Mitt Romney or wanted to repeal the A.C.A. it was that he saw Barack Obama as a satanic character. The most corrosive thing about the current political situation is that many people believe that one political party is absolutely evil (more than believe the other is good.) Thus you really have a lot of people who think they have only one choice when election season comes around so we aren't seeing a competition to: not be corrupt, have peace and prosperity, efficient government services, etc. Back in the 1980s I saw Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill as honorable people who fought hard for opposing views but could also come together and compromise and it just doesn't seem that way today.

webmaven 4y ago
> Back in the 1980s I saw Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill as honorable people who fought hard for opposing views but could also come together and compromise and it just doesn't seem that way today. Yeah. Up until that point both parties occasionally played hardball, but compromised and made deals to get legislation passed. Afterwards, starting with Gingrich's "Contract with America" one party made "no compromise" a core value to rally the "base" and get them to the polls. Centrist Democrats kept compromising for a while to bring the GOP to the table, but eventually wised up that the goalposts kept being moved and started digging in their own heels. But it is worth noting that as a result of GOP brinksmanship today's Democratic party is largely to the right of Nixon, and Obama and Biden are to the right of Reagan.