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In the same way some people say they are "color blind" and people who reject that under the pretense that it would be racist to be "color blind". The people who

In the same way some people say they are "color blind" and people who reject that under the pretense that it would be racist to be "color blind". The people who are "actively anti-racist" think of the world in strictly racist terms.

gsk22 4y ago
Being aware of racial differences is not the same as being racist...
- alephnan 4y ago
  So you don't believe people are equal?
  - threatofrain 4y ago
    Not unless we do the proper work to make it so. Values prescribe where we want to go, not where we are today or the history we came from. Thus I expect a doctor who is treating someone of my ethnic background to take into account any differences which would benefit my medical outcomes.
    - alephnan 4y ago
      Since you're talking about the example of healthcare, you're saying people from different races are physiologically different? If they're physiologically different, are they somehow less capable of high functioning abilities? Or is their health a function of socioeconomics? If it's socioeconomic, then Nigerian-Americans and other socioeconomically successful immigrant groups should be positively discriminated as to be equitable to disadvantaged socioeconomic groups such as Vietnamese-Americans and Filipinos Americans. Or, for the purposes of appearing diverse, tech companies and universities include Nigerian-Americans in their statistics of black employees and Southeast Asians in with other Asians ?
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    - boppo1 4y ago
      >do the proper work to make it so. What, specifically, is the proper work? How, specifically, will we know we have been successful and the work is completed?
drewcoo 4y ago
And people with "eyes" are always talking about the things they "see," always shoving that in the faces of people who claim they don't have to "have visions" to understand the world! You're comparing people who are aware of a problem and trying to raise awareness with people who actively deny it. And claiming harm is being done to the denialists. For what it's worth, there is also a common problem with people who want to impose themselves on others via their righteousness. But that happens across the political spectrum.
- alephnan 4y ago
  > You're comparing people who are aware of a problem and trying to raise awareness with people who actively deny it. And claiming harm is being done to the denialists. This is circular reasoning. The same can be said by the opposition.
- the_third_wave 4y ago
  > And people with "eyes" are always talking about the things they "see," That is, in their own terms, Ableism > people who are aware of a problem More 'people who are intent on creating a problem to serve their own needs': Racism is not dead, but it is on life support — kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as "racists." [1]. That whole line is a quote from an essay written by Thomas Sowell, conveniently put away as "acting white" [2], having "internalised whiteness" or being "a white voice in a black body". 80 years ago people referred to "der ewige Jude" when talking about their scape goats, it did not end well. History is there to be learned from, not to be repeated if at all possible. > And claiming harm is being done to the denialists Harm is a word out of their own dictionary [3] still waiting for a good definition. It is not generally used by those who oppose "woke" activism other than in jest. > For what it's worth, there is also a common problem with people who want to impose themselves on others via their righteousness. But that happens across the political spectrum. "They are doing it as well" is whataboutery and not the issue at hand here so let's keep it out of the discussion. [1] https://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell072512.php3#.X30VU5NKh_l https://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell072512.php3#.X30VU5... [2] https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-acting-white/ https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-acting-white/ [3] https://newdiscourses.com/translations-from-the-wokish/#H https://newdiscourses.com/translations-from-the-wokish/#H

gsk22 4y ago

Being aware of racial differences is not the same as being racist...

alephnan 4y ago
So you don't believe people are equal?
- threatofrain 4y ago
  Not unless we do the proper work to make it so. Values prescribe where we want to go, not where we are today or the history we came from. Thus I expect a doctor who is treating someone of my ethnic background to take into account any differences which would benefit my medical outcomes.
  - alephnan 4y ago
    Since you're talking about the example of healthcare, you're saying people from different races are physiologically different? If they're physiologically different, are they somehow less capable of high functioning abilities? Or is their health a function of socioeconomics? If it's socioeconomic, then Nigerian-Americans and other socioeconomically successful immigrant groups should be positively discriminated as to be equitable to disadvantaged socioeconomic groups such as Vietnamese-Americans and Filipinos Americans. Or, for the purposes of appearing diverse, tech companies and universities include Nigerian-Americans in their statistics of black employees and Southeast Asians in with other Asians ?
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  - boppo1 4y ago
    >do the proper work to make it so. What, specifically, is the proper work? How, specifically, will we know we have been successful and the work is completed?

drewcoo 4y ago

And people with "eyes" are always talking about the things they "see," always shoving that in the faces of people who claim they don't have to "have visions" to understand the world! You're comparing people who are aware of a problem and trying to raise awareness with people who actively deny it. And claiming harm is being done to the denialists. For what it's worth, there is also a common problem with people who want to impose themselves on others via their righteousness. But that happens across the political spectrum.

alephnan 4y ago
> You're comparing people who are aware of a problem and trying to raise awareness with people who actively deny it. And claiming harm is being done to the denialists. This is circular reasoning. The same can be said by the opposition.
the_third_wave 4y ago
> And people with "eyes" are always talking about the things they "see," That is, in their own terms, Ableism > people who are aware of a problem More 'people who are intent on creating a problem to serve their own needs': Racism is not dead, but it is on life support — kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as "racists." [1]. That whole line is a quote from an essay written by Thomas Sowell, conveniently put away as "acting white" [2], having "internalised whiteness" or being "a white voice in a black body". 80 years ago people referred to "der ewige Jude" when talking about their scape goats, it did not end well. History is there to be learned from, not to be repeated if at all possible. > And claiming harm is being done to the denialists Harm is a word out of their own dictionary [3] still waiting for a good definition. It is not generally used by those who oppose "woke" activism other than in jest. > For what it's worth, there is also a common problem with people who want to impose themselves on others via their righteousness. But that happens across the political spectrum. "They are doing it as well" is whataboutery and not the issue at hand here so let's keep it out of the discussion. [1] https://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell072512.php3#.X30VU5NKh_l https://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell072512.php3#.X30VU5... [2] https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-acting-white/ https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-acting-white/ [3] https://newdiscourses.com/translations-from-the-wokish/#H https://newdiscourses.com/translations-from-the-wokish/#H