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Something like 5 million people die every year, should we be in permanent mourning?

by coryrc 4y ago

titzer 4y ago
I know you're trolling, but I'll respond. Part of growing up and moving from just a mere legally-licensed adult is being able to hold heavy things. They never stop getting heavier. They just keep unfolding, and if you are willing to grow just a little deeper--not bigger, but deeper, like the roots of you being able to feel things, then maybe all that learning to deal with loss, tragedies, loved ones dying, aging, your parents and uncles and cousins and friends dying--and yet not letting it destroy you, might be worth something. Though, for a moment, you can be devastated on the inside and hold yourself up without breaking. You don't need to cry your eyes out every day, but man, what the hell if we can't reflect on such a grievous time that has befallen us--all of us--over the past two years, without clawing someone else's face off or storming off in a huff. But if you need to feel not bothered at all, go ahead, you aren't the subject of this one.
- madrox 4y ago
  Lately, I've been thinking about the role of nihilism as a natural force in society and its use as a tool of renewal. At its best, it's a power to take only that which strengthens so that we don't take on the collective emotional debt of past generations. It's why we're finding new ways to do old things all the time and why we aren't living in guilt over the deeds of past generations. At its worst, nihilism throws the baby out with the bath water and you get holocaust deniers. This has been the hardest part of aging for me, because seeing this evolve in real time has left me in despair for our world at times. I have to remind myself that this force has been at work for centuries, and when I was young I didn't think it was all that bad. We'll probably be ok.
- coryrc 4y ago
  > what the hell if we can't reflect on such a grievous time You made the assumption the rest of us aren't. You've written a number of emotionally-laden statements about the lack of virtue amongst the rest of us, but I'm "trolling" when I point out you ignore greater loss of life happening yearly.
  - jprd 4y ago
    Unfortunately you are still trolling, and I hope you are aware enough to see it. I'm not going to do all the work for you, because I'm tired and certainly tired of teaching critical thinking to adults, but take a look at _excess_ deaths since the COVID-era started[1]. That is key, just like all the fears of a devastating food shortage on the horizon because Putin needed to get his gun off. Outside of math class, you can't play "Direct cause of death from COVID" vs. "people starved to death by their own government" or <insert issue you have feel the need to play "well, actually..." tonight>. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
- _dain_ 4y ago
  you "grown ups" locked me indoors for months and didn't let me see my family. spare me your sanctimony.
  - enraged_camel 4y ago
    The world contains more people than just you and your family. I was bummed to not see mine as well, but I (and they) also understood that a shared sacrifice was necessary to make.
    - _dain_ 4y ago
      a "shared sacrifice" that accomplished nothing.
ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago
That's not what the likes of the poster you reply to want. They want you to be in permanent acceptance of whatever agenda they support with their virtue signalling.
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> Something like 5 million people die every year, Then why do we mount anything at all, death count of all terrorist attacks and shooting combined is insignificant
- coryrc 4y ago
  Why have we spent $2 trillion so far on Iraq (even if you believed it was linked to 9/11 and 3000 deaths) when Alzheimer's disease costs $200B annually and costing about 5 million a few decades of life? (I'm approximating lost QALY as ~5 million/year, or about 20x 9/11s every year) We should be investing in high ROI life-saving actions, not emotional impulses. Let's put serious money behind defeating aging, which currently has a 100% fatality rate and was highly comorbid with COVID-19. https://www.alzheimers.net/research-spending-vs-annual-care-costs https://www.alzheimers.net/research-spending-vs-annual-care-...
  - erddfre3423 4y ago
    Defeating aging sounds like a horrible idea as long as we aren't able to conquer space. The planet is badly overpopulated already as it is.
    - astrange 4y ago
      The world is nowhere near overpopulated, most countries are going to see population crashes if anything. “Overpopulation” is a meme from the 60s coming from a book (Population Bomb) that was disproved the instant it was published. It is, however, a big reason for single family zoning in California - they literally thought it would encourage people to stop moving there and having kids.
      - fractallyte 4y ago
        Overpopulation - a number - is the wrong metric. Instead, we should be looking at the mix of factors (which include overpopulation) that cause the destruction of ecosystems, all the way up to climate change. So that would include: mono-agriculture ('monoculture'), technology powered by fossil fuels (such as logging machines, strip mining machines, etc.), and global transport networks (which hugely enable demand to outstrip supply). More complicated, but more accurate - and humanity is way past that threshold, even with population crashes.
worik 4y ago
> Something like 5 million people die every year, should we be in permanent mourning? That gives truth to Benjamin Disraeli's (attributed) "Lies, damn lies, and statistics". Very misleading. It was the concentrated effects. When bottled oxygen ran out in India. When you could not get into a hospital in many American cities (my American geography is hazy - South Los Angeles hospital, I think, was crippled for weeks) Running out of morgue space in New York city - mass graves in central park. It was really very scary, and I am glad I was not in any of those places badly hit.
pcdoodle 4y ago
It's about 52 Million. Or 144k per day. It's always fun to look back at how wrong people are about the future. It's almost happening in real time these days.

Something like 5 million people die every year, should we be in permanent mourning?

by coryrc 4y ago

Something like 5 million people die every year, should we be in permanent mourning?

I know you're trolling, but I'll respond. Part of growing up and moving from just a mere legally-licensed adult is being able to hold heavy things. They never stop getting heavier. They just keep unfolding, and if you are willing to grow just a little deeper--not bigger, but deeper, like the roots of you being able to feel things, then maybe all that learning to deal with loss, tragedies, loved ones dying, aging, your parents and uncles and cousins and friends dying--and yet not letting it destroy you, might be worth something. Though, for a moment, you can be devastated on the inside and hold yourself up without breaking. You don't need to cry your eyes out every day, but man, what the hell if we can't reflect on such a grievous time that has befallen us--all of us--over the past two years, without clawing someone else's face off or storming off in a huff. But if you need to feel not bothered at all, go ahead, you aren't the subject of this one.

madrox 4y ago
Lately, I've been thinking about the role of nihilism as a natural force in society and its use as a tool of renewal. At its best, it's a power to take only that which strengthens so that we don't take on the collective emotional debt of past generations. It's why we're finding new ways to do old things all the time and why we aren't living in guilt over the deeds of past generations. At its worst, nihilism throws the baby out with the bath water and you get holocaust deniers. This has been the hardest part of aging for me, because seeing this evolve in real time has left me in despair for our world at times. I have to remind myself that this force has been at work for centuries, and when I was young I didn't think it was all that bad. We'll probably be ok.
coryrc 4y ago
> what the hell if we can't reflect on such a grievous time You made the assumption the rest of us aren't. You've written a number of emotionally-laden statements about the lack of virtue amongst the rest of us, but I'm "trolling" when I point out you ignore greater loss of life happening yearly.
- jprd 4y ago
  Unfortunately you are still trolling, and I hope you are aware enough to see it. I'm not going to do all the work for you, because I'm tired and certainly tired of teaching critical thinking to adults, but take a look at _excess_ deaths since the COVID-era started[1]. That is key, just like all the fears of a devastating food shortage on the horizon because Putin needed to get his gun off. Outside of math class, you can't play "Direct cause of death from COVID" vs. "people starved to death by their own government" or <insert issue you have feel the need to play "well, actually..." tonight>. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
_dain_ 4y ago
you "grown ups" locked me indoors for months and didn't let me see my family. spare me your sanctimony.
- enraged_camel 4y ago
  The world contains more people than just you and your family. I was bummed to not see mine as well, but I (and they) also understood that a shared sacrifice was necessary to make.
  - _dain_ 4y ago
    a "shared sacrifice" that accomplished nothing.

ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago

That's not what the likes of the poster you reply to want. They want you to be in permanent acceptance of whatever agenda they support with their virtue signalling.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

> Something like 5 million people die every year, Then why do we mount anything at all, death count of all terrorist attacks and shooting combined is insignificant

coryrc 4y ago
Why have we spent $2 trillion so far on Iraq (even if you believed it was linked to 9/11 and 3000 deaths) when Alzheimer's disease costs $200B annually and costing about 5 million a few decades of life? (I'm approximating lost QALY as ~5 million/year, or about 20x 9/11s every year) We should be investing in high ROI life-saving actions, not emotional impulses. Let's put serious money behind defeating aging, which currently has a 100% fatality rate and was highly comorbid with COVID-19. https://www.alzheimers.net/research-spending-vs-annual-care-costs https://www.alzheimers.net/research-spending-vs-annual-care-...
- erddfre3423 4y ago
  Defeating aging sounds like a horrible idea as long as we aren't able to conquer space. The planet is badly overpopulated already as it is.
  - astrange 4y ago
    The world is nowhere near overpopulated, most countries are going to see population crashes if anything. “Overpopulation” is a meme from the 60s coming from a book (Population Bomb) that was disproved the instant it was published. It is, however, a big reason for single family zoning in California - they literally thought it would encourage people to stop moving there and having kids.
    - fractallyte 4y ago
      Overpopulation - a number - is the wrong metric. Instead, we should be looking at the mix of factors (which include overpopulation) that cause the destruction of ecosystems, all the way up to climate change. So that would include: mono-agriculture ('monoculture'), technology powered by fossil fuels (such as logging machines, strip mining machines, etc.), and global transport networks (which hugely enable demand to outstrip supply). More complicated, but more accurate - and humanity is way past that threshold, even with population crashes.

worik 4y ago

> Something like 5 million people die every year, should we be in permanent mourning? That gives truth to Benjamin Disraeli's (attributed) "Lies, damn lies, and statistics". Very misleading. It was the concentrated effects. When bottled oxygen ran out in India. When you could not get into a hospital in many American cities (my American geography is hazy - South Los Angeles hospital, I think, was crippled for weeks) Running out of morgue space in New York city - mass graves in central park. It was really very scary, and I am glad I was not in any of those places badly hit.

pcdoodle 4y ago

It's about 52 Million. Or 144k per day. It's always fun to look back at how wrong people are about the future. It's almost happening in real time these days.