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I use Sway and I pay to host my code on SourceHut. I admire Drew and I think he is making invaluable contributions to FOSS. That said, he has a history of... r

I use Sway and I pay to host my code on SourceHut. I admire Drew and I think he is making invaluable contributions to FOSS. That said, he has a history of... rash? impulsive? reactions to situations that might have been resolved with less bad blood if he had stepped away from the keyboard until he was less upset. The classic example is when he got upset about people wanting to unofficially add favicons to the Gemini protocol, and he threatened to blackhole any IP address which requests a favicon. https://github.com/makeworld-the-better-one/amfora/issues/199 https://github.com/makeworld-the-better-one/amfora/issues/19... I do not know if there is some specific recent event triggering vitriol, but the way this post is written, it sounds like Drew thinks it is resulting from less recent actions like the favicon threat. In Drew's defense, he has made (limited) apologies and I do believe he is trying to do better. https://drewdevault.com/2021/04/26/Cryptocurrency-is-a-disaster.html https://drewdevault.com/2021/04/26/Cryptocurrency-is-a-disas... has a note at the bottom, saying: > I realize that my blog has been a source of a lot of negativity in the past, and I regret how harsh I've been with some of the projects I've criticised. I will make my arguments by example going forward: if I think we can do better, I'll do it better, instead of criticising those who are just earnestly trying their best. But it is also true that many people will not be quick to forgive him, and some people never will. It will take him time to undo the negative image he has created with some people, but after seeing Linus Torvald's positive changes, I am optimistic that Drew can change for the better if he wants to, and help create a welcoming community for everyone. If he doesn't give up first.

jbiason 4y ago
Dunno if he still have his Mastodon account, but after seeing continuous posts calling GNOME devs "complete idiots" and constantly bashing Rust for their decisions, I stopped following him completely. You're seeing the posts in his blogs. His timeline was full of bashing devs of other open source projects. Never a constructive criticism, just plain bashing (with occasional self-congratulatory comment for his own decision). PS: I think part of his Rust criticism was towards the attempt to make Sway use wlroots-rs and it not fitting his idea. So, instead of saying "Sorry, it didn't work", he jumped into full bashing Rust for not doing what he was trying to do.
- skyfaller 4y ago
  I don't think he is still on Mastodon, and while deleting his Mastodon could be interpreted as hiding the public record of him being a jerk, it could also be interpreted as him leaving an environment where he had a habit of toxicity, which seems like it could be a healthy choice.
- timidger 4y ago
  > I think part of his Rust criticism was towards the attempt to make Sway use wlroots-rs and it not fitting his idea. That was never a goal, not for Sway and not for wlroots-rs. I wrote that to port Way Cooler, it was no different from the other wrappers in other languages that exist.
jonas21 4y ago
He says he's trying to do better, but I'll believe it when I see it. Even his recent posts are full of mean sarcasm that probably rubs a lot of people the wrong way. This is from 2 weeks ago: > Congratulations to Rust for its first (but not its last) supply-chain attack this week! They join a growing club of broken-by-design package managers which publish packages uploaded by vendors directly, with no review step, and ship those packages directly to users with no further scrutiny. [1] And in the post where he's complaining about GoModuleProxy, he manages to self-righteously insult the entire Go team for no good reason: > I will say that if I was in their position, and my service was mistakenly sending an excessive amount of traffic to someone else, I would make it my first priority to fix it. But I suppose no one will get promoted for prioritizing that at Google. [2] [1] https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/12/Supply-chain-when-will-we-learn.html https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/12/Supply-chain-when-will-we... [2] https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/25/Google-has-been-DDoSing-sourcehut.html https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/25/Google-has-been-DDoSing-s...
- skyfaller 4y ago
  Yeah, that's fair. I frequently agree with what he's saying, but he tends to say it in an abrasive way that won't make him friends or convince anyone who doesn't already agree with him. And maybe that's part of why there are all of these comments where people are like "I don't understand why people would hate Drew!" I think people tend to forget how obnoxious such comments are if they agree with the content, and that's part of how Drew became a divisive figure with so many fans and haters.
- WesolyKubeczek 4y ago
mattl 4y ago
Please, Nelson, what is sway?

jbiason 4y ago

Dunno if he still have his Mastodon account, but after seeing continuous posts calling GNOME devs "complete idiots" and constantly bashing Rust for their decisions, I stopped following him completely. You're seeing the posts in his blogs. His timeline was full of bashing devs of other open source projects. Never a constructive criticism, just plain bashing (with occasional self-congratulatory comment for his own decision). PS: I think part of his Rust criticism was towards the attempt to make Sway use wlroots-rs and it not fitting his idea. So, instead of saying "Sorry, it didn't work", he jumped into full bashing Rust for not doing what he was trying to do.

skyfaller 4y ago
I don't think he is still on Mastodon, and while deleting his Mastodon could be interpreted as hiding the public record of him being a jerk, it could also be interpreted as him leaving an environment where he had a habit of toxicity, which seems like it could be a healthy choice.
timidger 4y ago
> I think part of his Rust criticism was towards the attempt to make Sway use wlroots-rs and it not fitting his idea. That was never a goal, not for Sway and not for wlroots-rs. I wrote that to port Way Cooler, it was no different from the other wrappers in other languages that exist.

jonas21 4y ago

He says he's trying to do better, but I'll believe it when I see it. Even his recent posts are full of mean sarcasm that probably rubs a lot of people the wrong way. This is from 2 weeks ago: > Congratulations to Rust for its first (but not its last) supply-chain attack this week! They join a growing club of broken-by-design package managers which publish packages uploaded by vendors directly, with no review step, and ship those packages directly to users with no further scrutiny. [1] And in the post where he's complaining about GoModuleProxy, he manages to self-righteously insult the entire Go team for no good reason: > I will say that if I was in their position, and my service was mistakenly sending an excessive amount of traffic to someone else, I would make it my first priority to fix it. But I suppose no one will get promoted for prioritizing that at Google. [2] [1] https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/12/Supply-chain-when-will-we-learn.html https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/12/Supply-chain-when-will-we... [2] https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/25/Google-has-been-DDoSing-sourcehut.html https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/25/Google-has-been-DDoSing-s...

skyfaller 4y ago
Yeah, that's fair. I frequently agree with what he's saying, but he tends to say it in an abrasive way that won't make him friends or convince anyone who doesn't already agree with him. And maybe that's part of why there are all of these comments where people are like "I don't understand why people would hate Drew!" I think people tend to forget how obnoxious such comments are if they agree with the content, and that's part of how Drew became a divisive figure with so many fans and haters.
WesolyKubeczek 4y ago

mattl 4y ago

Please, Nelson, what is sway?