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He doesn't "troll" the Rust community at all in the post. The line about the borrow checker was directly snagged from a lobsters or HN thread around Hare's anno

by caslon 4y ago

He doesn't "troll" the Rust community at all in the post. The line about the borrow checker was directly snagged from a lobsters or HN thread around Hare's announcement.

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lifthrasiir 4y ago
Keep in mind that the line was written by some throw-away account [1]. To suggest that it is anything to do with the broader Rust community is trolling. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=borrow%20checker%20irresponsible&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- caslon 4y ago
  No, it isn't, and that "throwaway" account has hundreds of karma. Also, wasn't your comment here longer a second ago? I seem to recall it having a bit on "or some other form of memory safety," which proves the point.
  - lifthrasiir 4y ago
    > No, it isn't, and that "throwaway" account has hundreds of karma. That account was registered only two months ago, enough to be classified as such. And actually the account seems to have garnered karma mostly from cryptocurrency criticism (which is a surefire way to get or lose lots of karma in HN). > Also, wasn't your comment here longer a second ago? I seem to recall it having a bit on "or some other form of memory safety," which proves the point. Sorry for that, I forgot to add an intervening sentence and realized that the comment is better without the (original) second sentence. (For the context, the removed sentence was roughly "Drew could have gotten far less criticism if he had a roadmap about safety, not necessarily borrow checker but even something like sanitizers or instrumention would suffice". I originally put this sentence to show that the "safety" criticism to Hare is not just from Rust proponents, but it wouldn't work without further quantification.)
    - pvg 4y ago
      That account was registered only two months ago, enough to be classified as such. And actually the account seems to have garnered karma mostly from cryptocurrency criticism (which is a surefire way to get or lose lots of karma in HN). You've been here long enough to know you can't innuendo at other users like this, however wrong they may be. Extra lame if they're not part of the conversation to begin with.
      - lifthrasiir 4y ago
        To my eyes caslon is claiming that that throwaway account is somehow representative of Rust community because it has lots of karma, and I responded with the fact that the karma most likely came from other heated debates than Rust or Hare in a short amount of time (in fact the comment in question was a passing mention for that account). I don't care about karma otherwise, you know it's nothing.
        pvg 4y ago
        It doesn't matter, you can just say it was an individual user and isn't representative of the Rust community. Going all Bureau of User Investigations is explicitly disallowed cause otherwise that'd be half the messageboard.
        lifthrasiir 4y ago
        Fair, some users are (for the lack of better expression) more representative than other users and my intention was to show that the latter was the case, but I may have gone too far.
mustache_kimono 4y ago
The point was -- was that line really necessary? Was it anything more than a throwaway line, providing more heat than light? If he wants some sympathy and, wow, does it ever seem like he wants some sympathy, couldn't he just have avoided this incendiary nonsense? The answer is, of course not, this is Internet Troll Drew DeVault.
- layer8 4y ago
  I honestly don’t understand why someone should feel triggered by that sentence, unless they actually agree with its content in a dogmatic way. As a fan of effect systems, I found it an amusing hyperbole.
  - mustache_kimono 4y ago
    > I honestly don’t understand why someone should feel triggered by that sentence, unless they actually agree with its content in a dogmatic way. As a fan of effect systems, I found it an amusing hyperbole. Getting into an "I'm not triggered, you're the one who is triggered" discussion on the Internet is about as dumb as thinking Drew DeVault is a software intellectual.

by caslon 4y ago

He doesn't "troll" the Rust community at all in the post. The line about the borrow checker was directly snagged from a lobsters or HN thread around Hare's announcement.

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lifthrasiir 4y ago

Keep in mind that the line was written by some throw-away account [1]. To suggest that it is anything to do with the broader Rust community is trolling. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=borrow%20checker%20irresponsible&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

caslon 4y ago
No, it isn't, and that "throwaway" account has hundreds of karma. Also, wasn't your comment here longer a second ago? I seem to recall it having a bit on "or some other form of memory safety," which proves the point.
- lifthrasiir 4y ago
  > No, it isn't, and that "throwaway" account has hundreds of karma. That account was registered only two months ago, enough to be classified as such. And actually the account seems to have garnered karma mostly from cryptocurrency criticism (which is a surefire way to get or lose lots of karma in HN). > Also, wasn't your comment here longer a second ago? I seem to recall it having a bit on "or some other form of memory safety," which proves the point. Sorry for that, I forgot to add an intervening sentence and realized that the comment is better without the (original) second sentence. (For the context, the removed sentence was roughly "Drew could have gotten far less criticism if he had a roadmap about safety, not necessarily borrow checker but even something like sanitizers or instrumention would suffice". I originally put this sentence to show that the "safety" criticism to Hare is not just from Rust proponents, but it wouldn't work without further quantification.)
  - pvg 4y ago
    That account was registered only two months ago, enough to be classified as such. And actually the account seems to have garnered karma mostly from cryptocurrency criticism (which is a surefire way to get or lose lots of karma in HN). You've been here long enough to know you can't innuendo at other users like this, however wrong they may be. Extra lame if they're not part of the conversation to begin with.
    - lifthrasiir 4y ago
      To my eyes caslon is claiming that that throwaway account is somehow representative of Rust community because it has lots of karma, and I responded with the fact that the karma most likely came from other heated debates than Rust or Hare in a short amount of time (in fact the comment in question was a passing mention for that account). I don't care about karma otherwise, you know it's nothing.
      - pvg 4y ago
        It doesn't matter, you can just say it was an individual user and isn't representative of the Rust community. Going all Bureau of User Investigations is explicitly disallowed cause otherwise that'd be half the messageboard.
        lifthrasiir 4y ago
        Fair, some users are (for the lack of better expression) more representative than other users and my intention was to show that the latter was the case, but I may have gone too far.

mustache_kimono 4y ago

The point was -- was that line really necessary? Was it anything more than a throwaway line, providing more heat than light? If he wants some sympathy and, wow, does it ever seem like he wants some sympathy, couldn't he just have avoided this incendiary nonsense? The answer is, of course not, this is Internet Troll Drew DeVault.

layer8 4y ago
I honestly don’t understand why someone should feel triggered by that sentence, unless they actually agree with its content in a dogmatic way. As a fan of effect systems, I found it an amusing hyperbole.
- mustache_kimono 4y ago
  > I honestly don’t understand why someone should feel triggered by that sentence, unless they actually agree with its content in a dogmatic way. As a fan of effect systems, I found it an amusing hyperbole. Getting into an "I'm not triggered, you're the one who is triggered" discussion on the Internet is about as dumb as thinking Drew DeVault is a software intellectual.