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> I find it a bit puzzling why someone who contributes so much to the community gets so much hate. Watch out, because even this self-pitying blog post manages

> I find it a bit puzzling why someone who contributes so much to the community gets so much hate. Watch out, because even this self-pitying blog post manages to find time to reach out and troll the Rust community. Internet troll gets back internet hate is not exactly unexpected right? And we all know Drew says some trollish things sometimes. I don't think the way that some handle it and him is anywhere near correct, but Drew might consider the way he presents himself isn't always conducive to good faith disagreement.

synu 4y ago
That sums it up nicely. I put my heart and soul into a product that at one point Drew personally decided was harmful and worthy of self righteous scorn, and that wasn’t very fun, but I don’t wish the same back on him. It’s just kind of the way people behave on the internet sometimes, and you can’t take it too seriously.
caslon 4y ago
He doesn't "troll" the Rust community at all in the post. The line about the borrow checker was directly snagged from a lobsters or HN thread around Hare's announcement.
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- lifthrasiir 4y ago
  Keep in mind that the line was written by some throw-away account [1]. To suggest that it is anything to do with the broader Rust community is trolling. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=borrow%20checker%20irresponsible&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
  - caslon 4y ago
    No, it isn't, and that "throwaway" account has hundreds of karma. Also, wasn't your comment here longer a second ago? I seem to recall it having a bit on "or some other form of memory safety," which proves the point.
    - lifthrasiir 4y ago
      > No, it isn't, and that "throwaway" account has hundreds of karma. That account was registered only two months ago, enough to be classified as such. And actually the account seems to have garnered karma mostly from cryptocurrency criticism (which is a surefire way to get or lose lots of karma in HN). > Also, wasn't your comment here longer a second ago? I seem to recall it having a bit on "or some other form of memory safety," which proves the point. Sorry for that, I forgot to add an intervening sentence and realized that the comment is better without the (original) second sentence. (For the context, the removed sentence was roughly "Drew could have gotten far less criticism if he had a roadmap about safety, not necessarily borrow checker but even something like sanitizers or instrumention would suffice". I originally put this sentence to show that the "safety" criticism to Hare is not just from Rust proponents, but it wouldn't work without further quantification.)
      - pvg 4y ago
        That account was registered only two months ago, enough to be classified as such. And actually the account seems to have garnered karma mostly from cryptocurrency criticism (which is a surefire way to get or lose lots of karma in HN). You've been here long enough to know you can't innuendo at other users like this, however wrong they may be. Extra lame if they're not part of the conversation to begin with.
        lifthrasiir 4y ago
        To my eyes caslon is claiming that that throwaway account is somehow representative of Rust community because it has lots of karma, and I responded with the fact that the karma most likely came from other heated debates than Rust or Hare in a short amount of time (in fact the comment in question was a passing mention for that account). I don't care about karma otherwise, you know it's nothing.
- mustache_kimono 4y ago
  The point was -- was that line really necessary? Was it anything more than a throwaway line, providing more heat than light? If he wants some sympathy and, wow, does it ever seem like he wants some sympathy, couldn't he just have avoided this incendiary nonsense? The answer is, of course not, this is Internet Troll Drew DeVault.
  - layer8 4y ago
    I honestly don’t understand why someone should feel triggered by that sentence, unless they actually agree with its content in a dogmatic way. As a fan of effect systems, I found it an amusing hyperbole.
    - mustache_kimono 4y ago
      > I honestly don’t understand why someone should feel triggered by that sentence, unless they actually agree with its content in a dogmatic way. As a fan of effect systems, I found it an amusing hyperbole. Getting into an "I'm not triggered, you're the one who is triggered" discussion on the Internet is about as dumb as thinking Drew DeVault is a software intellectual.

synu 4y ago

That sums it up nicely. I put my heart and soul into a product that at one point Drew personally decided was harmful and worthy of self righteous scorn, and that wasn’t very fun, but I don’t wish the same back on him. It’s just kind of the way people behave on the internet sometimes, and you can’t take it too seriously.

caslon 4y ago

He doesn't "troll" the Rust community at all in the post. The line about the borrow checker was directly snagged from a lobsters or HN thread around Hare's announcement.

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lifthrasiir 4y ago
Keep in mind that the line was written by some throw-away account [1]. To suggest that it is anything to do with the broader Rust community is trolling. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=borrow%20checker%20irresponsible&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- caslon 4y ago
  No, it isn't, and that "throwaway" account has hundreds of karma. Also, wasn't your comment here longer a second ago? I seem to recall it having a bit on "or some other form of memory safety," which proves the point.
  - lifthrasiir 4y ago
    > No, it isn't, and that "throwaway" account has hundreds of karma. That account was registered only two months ago, enough to be classified as such. And actually the account seems to have garnered karma mostly from cryptocurrency criticism (which is a surefire way to get or lose lots of karma in HN). > Also, wasn't your comment here longer a second ago? I seem to recall it having a bit on "or some other form of memory safety," which proves the point. Sorry for that, I forgot to add an intervening sentence and realized that the comment is better without the (original) second sentence. (For the context, the removed sentence was roughly "Drew could have gotten far less criticism if he had a roadmap about safety, not necessarily borrow checker but even something like sanitizers or instrumention would suffice". I originally put this sentence to show that the "safety" criticism to Hare is not just from Rust proponents, but it wouldn't work without further quantification.)
    - pvg 4y ago
      That account was registered only two months ago, enough to be classified as such. And actually the account seems to have garnered karma mostly from cryptocurrency criticism (which is a surefire way to get or lose lots of karma in HN). You've been here long enough to know you can't innuendo at other users like this, however wrong they may be. Extra lame if they're not part of the conversation to begin with.
      - lifthrasiir 4y ago
        To my eyes caslon is claiming that that throwaway account is somehow representative of Rust community because it has lots of karma, and I responded with the fact that the karma most likely came from other heated debates than Rust or Hare in a short amount of time (in fact the comment in question was a passing mention for that account). I don't care about karma otherwise, you know it's nothing.
mustache_kimono 4y ago
The point was -- was that line really necessary? Was it anything more than a throwaway line, providing more heat than light? If he wants some sympathy and, wow, does it ever seem like he wants some sympathy, couldn't he just have avoided this incendiary nonsense? The answer is, of course not, this is Internet Troll Drew DeVault.
- layer8 4y ago
  I honestly don’t understand why someone should feel triggered by that sentence, unless they actually agree with its content in a dogmatic way. As a fan of effect systems, I found it an amusing hyperbole.
  - mustache_kimono 4y ago
    > I honestly don’t understand why someone should feel triggered by that sentence, unless they actually agree with its content in a dogmatic way. As a fan of effect systems, I found it an amusing hyperbole. Getting into an "I'm not triggered, you're the one who is triggered" discussion on the Internet is about as dumb as thinking Drew DeVault is a software intellectual.