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> Other countries use nonvoluntary methods for dealing with their addicts or mentally ill and have substantial treatment programs and public asylums. What othe

> Other countries use nonvoluntary methods for dealing with their addicts or mentally ill and have substantial treatment programs and public asylums. What other countries do you mean? In northern Europe, you can't nonvoluntarily do anything to anyone that isn't imminently a danger to themselves or others. Everyone gets help that needs it, no excuses, and we have virtually no homeless people at all.

swearwolf 4y ago
Portugal, if I’m not mistaken, requires mandatory drug treatment to avoid criminal prosecution for drug possession.
- guerrilla 4y ago
  It's complicated, so that could be the case for some specific situations (or maybe not? I don't really know) but in general drug use is decriminalized (for possession of less than a ten day supply of drugs) in Portugal. You can even get a waiver for use if addicted and clean substitutes. They have persuasion therapy and treatment that is covered by healthcare. Although one can be summoned to a dissuasion committee periodically, they can't mandate compulsory treatment.
  - swearwolf 4y ago
    My (admittedly limited) understanding is that its sort of an escalating series of interventions, run by a panel of social workers and medical professionals. The penalties seem to ratchet up as a person’s addiction becomes more and more problematic or impactful on the community, which makes a lot of sense to me. In my home state, Oregon, we voted to decriminalize all “personal use” amounts of all drugs back in 2020. However, the folks who crafted the ballot measure left out a lot of the “stick” parts that have made Portugal’s efforts more successful. That has not worked well. At a time when meth use was already skyrocketing, it has enabled dealers to proliferate rapidly. They simply have to make sure they only carry a personal use amount on them at any given time. I’d really like to see us implement some of the more persuasive elements of Portugal’s model to curb some of the downsides we’re now dealing with.

swearwolf 4y ago

Portugal, if I’m not mistaken, requires mandatory drug treatment to avoid criminal prosecution for drug possession.

guerrilla 4y ago
It's complicated, so that could be the case for some specific situations (or maybe not? I don't really know) but in general drug use is decriminalized (for possession of less than a ten day supply of drugs) in Portugal. You can even get a waiver for use if addicted and clean substitutes. They have persuasion therapy and treatment that is covered by healthcare. Although one can be summoned to a dissuasion committee periodically, they can't mandate compulsory treatment.
- swearwolf 4y ago
  My (admittedly limited) understanding is that its sort of an escalating series of interventions, run by a panel of social workers and medical professionals. The penalties seem to ratchet up as a person’s addiction becomes more and more problematic or impactful on the community, which makes a lot of sense to me. In my home state, Oregon, we voted to decriminalize all “personal use” amounts of all drugs back in 2020. However, the folks who crafted the ballot measure left out a lot of the “stick” parts that have made Portugal’s efforts more successful. That has not worked well. At a time when meth use was already skyrocketing, it has enabled dealers to proliferate rapidly. They simply have to make sure they only carry a personal use amount on them at any given time. I’d really like to see us implement some of the more persuasive elements of Portugal’s model to curb some of the downsides we’re now dealing with.