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> Medic-aid is barely accepted by any doctors except random ones What makes you think any sort of government intervention will solve this? If you implement uni

> Medic-aid is barely accepted by any doctors except random ones What makes you think any sort of government intervention will solve this? If you implement universal healthcare these doctors will still have revenue streams from rich people and won't need to take poor patients. You can't force doctors to treat people they don't want to.

the_only_law 4y ago
They never said that. All they did was describe why the current American system sucks.
vladvasiliu 4y ago
An even more absurd form of this is happening in France. There used to be some "abuse" (according to the national health insurance administration) where people would, supposedly, try to see specialists for no reason. So they figured that everyone should have a "family doctor" and, with a few exceptions (dentist, eyes, maybe others) you always have to go through this doctor first. Now most of these doctors are "full" and won't take any new clients. You don't need to be poor, they don't even ask your situation. If you call them up, they'll ask you if the doc knows you. If not, they hang up. And even if they're your family doctor, you better hope your cough isn't anything too urgent, 'cause they're in no hurry to see you. Of course, there are doctors who will see you, but usually they charge extra, so they're not fully covered by the "free" healthcare, if at all.
- baby 4y ago
  That’s mostly a problem in small towns, not that it makes the problem OK
  - vladvasiliu 4y ago
    From what I hear it's brutal in small towns. My post above came from my own experience, living in Paris proper.
  - PoignardAzur 4y ago
    I live in Paris, and finding a medecin traitant has been a pain.
    - baby 4y ago
      Interesting, never had an issue in Lyon. Just use google maps, call the ones that are closer to you, sure some won't take you because they have too many patients but usually there are so many doctors that it's not a problem. I'm surprised that Paris would have this problem but not Lyon.
- fineIllregister 4y ago
  > So they figured that everyone should have a "family doctor" and, with a few exceptions (dentist, eyes, maybe others) you always have to go through this doctor first. Every private insurer I've ever had in the US has the exact same requirement.
sudosysgen 4y ago
Univers healthcare almost always bans duplicate coverage. Without private insurance, a tiny fraction of people (<1%) can afford to bypass the public healthcare system. Therefore, it is not financially viable for all but a small number of doctors not to integrate into the public healthcare system. The scenario you're described had the opportunity to be borne out in dozens of countries and generally didn't.
- ceeplusplus 4y ago
  Other countries don't have Supreme Court rulings stating that banning campaign finance contributions was a violation of the 1st Amendment. Such a ban would absolutely be challenged and likely struck down in court in the US.
  - sudosysgen 4y ago
    Meh. There are already Supreme Court rulings that state that insurance falls upon the Federal government as interstate commerce, and there is already precedent for banning certain categories of insurance. The only way it would get struck down is if there were activist judges and if there was no political will to repair the Supreme Court. I would assume that in a world where the US political system manages to fix itself enough to pass universal healthcare that would be dealt with or fixable, because those are more urgent issues.
    - masonic 4y ago
      >manages to fix itself enough to pass universal healthcare The Democrats could have done this of their own volition in Obama's first term, during periods where the Senate had a filibuster-proof majority. Instead, they came up with the ACA.
      - lesuorac 4y ago
        > The Democrats could have done this of their own volition in Obama's first term, during periods where the Senate had a filibuster-proof majority. Instead, they came up with the ACA. How much more than the ACA (a campaign promise) and stimulus did you expect them to get done in the 4 months of the first term that they had a filibuster-proof majority? https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2012/09/09/when-obama-had-total-control/985146007/ https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2012/09/09/when-oba...
guerrilla 4y ago
Because we solved it entirely in Scandinavia and most of northern Europe.

the_only_law 4y ago

They never said that. All they did was describe why the current American system sucks.

vladvasiliu 4y ago

An even more absurd form of this is happening in France. There used to be some "abuse" (according to the national health insurance administration) where people would, supposedly, try to see specialists for no reason. So they figured that everyone should have a "family doctor" and, with a few exceptions (dentist, eyes, maybe others) you always have to go through this doctor first. Now most of these doctors are "full" and won't take any new clients. You don't need to be poor, they don't even ask your situation. If you call them up, they'll ask you if the doc knows you. If not, they hang up. And even if they're your family doctor, you better hope your cough isn't anything too urgent, 'cause they're in no hurry to see you. Of course, there are doctors who will see you, but usually they charge extra, so they're not fully covered by the "free" healthcare, if at all.

baby 4y ago
That’s mostly a problem in small towns, not that it makes the problem OK
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  From what I hear it's brutal in small towns. My post above came from my own experience, living in Paris proper.
- PoignardAzur 4y ago
  I live in Paris, and finding a medecin traitant has been a pain.
  - baby 4y ago
    Interesting, never had an issue in Lyon. Just use google maps, call the ones that are closer to you, sure some won't take you because they have too many patients but usually there are so many doctors that it's not a problem. I'm surprised that Paris would have this problem but not Lyon.
fineIllregister 4y ago
> So they figured that everyone should have a "family doctor" and, with a few exceptions (dentist, eyes, maybe others) you always have to go through this doctor first. Every private insurer I've ever had in the US has the exact same requirement.

sudosysgen 4y ago

Univers healthcare almost always bans duplicate coverage. Without private insurance, a tiny fraction of people (<1%) can afford to bypass the public healthcare system. Therefore, it is not financially viable for all but a small number of doctors not to integrate into the public healthcare system. The scenario you're described had the opportunity to be borne out in dozens of countries and generally didn't.

ceeplusplus 4y ago
Other countries don't have Supreme Court rulings stating that banning campaign finance contributions was a violation of the 1st Amendment. Such a ban would absolutely be challenged and likely struck down in court in the US.
- sudosysgen 4y ago
  Meh. There are already Supreme Court rulings that state that insurance falls upon the Federal government as interstate commerce, and there is already precedent for banning certain categories of insurance. The only way it would get struck down is if there were activist judges and if there was no political will to repair the Supreme Court. I would assume that in a world where the US political system manages to fix itself enough to pass universal healthcare that would be dealt with or fixable, because those are more urgent issues.
  - masonic 4y ago
    >manages to fix itself enough to pass universal healthcare The Democrats could have done this of their own volition in Obama's first term, during periods where the Senate had a filibuster-proof majority. Instead, they came up with the ACA.
    - lesuorac 4y ago
      > The Democrats could have done this of their own volition in Obama's first term, during periods where the Senate had a filibuster-proof majority. Instead, they came up with the ACA. How much more than the ACA (a campaign promise) and stimulus did you expect them to get done in the 4 months of the first term that they had a filibuster-proof majority? https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2012/09/09/when-obama-had-total-control/985146007/ https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2012/09/09/when-oba...

guerrilla 4y ago

Because we solved it entirely in Scandinavia and most of northern Europe.