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In a world where the virus kills and the vaccines work what would you expect to see otherwise? In other words, for me, if the vaccines work and the virus kills

In a world where the virus kills and the vaccines work what would you expect to see otherwise? In other words, for me, if the vaccines work and the virus kills I'd expect to see the same graphs. Also, you can look at other countries and see if your theory holds up. Here's Australia https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count?country=~AUS https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-deat... Here's USA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-deat... Here's Japan https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count?country=~JPN https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-deat... Here's South Korea https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count?country=~KOR https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-deat... Here's Taiwan https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count?country=~TWN https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-deat...

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zmgsabst 4y ago
What am I supposed to be seeing in that data? There are strange surges in US, Aus, and Taiwan, but not in the other two — but they undertook different vaccination campaigns. > In other words, for me, if the vaccines work and the virus kills I'd expect to see the same graphs. Well no — that doesn’t explain why the “all cause” mortality surges in Australia disconnected from the COVID deaths. Even if we were undercounting the COVID deaths, we’d expect the phase of the waves to match, which is disputed by the first graph on that website (which compares COVID and all cause mortality across all sexes/ages.)