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> all you're worried about his how it's an aesthetic inconvenience Stolen property, burglary/robbery, biohazard in the form of feces on sidewalks, and potentia

> all you're worried about his how it's an aesthetic inconvenience Stolen property, burglary/robbery, biohazard in the form of feces on sidewalks, and potential unprovoked violence are hardly just "an aesthetic inconvenience" in minds of most people.

guerrilla 4y ago
- BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
  >” Weird, starving people stole” I have never seen an emaciated homeless person. I do not excuse “stealing to eat” when soup kitchens, food banks, and food stamps are available as alternatives to crime.
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    - jvanderbot 4y ago
- jvanderbot 4y ago
  You cannot talk me or GP out of disgust. Once you see an obviously insane person sitting in a puddle of their own pee, on the front step of a recently closed shop you used to go to, you see the problem as a problem. There are only so many times you can step over a potentially dead person on a running trail. Only to have them get up and run away when you look closely even from a distance. There's only so many times you can watch a huge person crawl out from the canals and start following people around the neighborhood before you consider moving your wife and kids away forever. Don't get me started on the actual assaults and threats that he's made. Or how about the guy who was standing beside my car with a can of gas, just looking at it swaying back and forth when we were leaving the beach. Where do my kids go when I go confront him and try to retrieve our ride? How many times can you shrug off a break in to the mail room where all the mail is just ransacked. That's only a couple years. You can have empathy in abstract. But when you're in the middle of it, the 99% sob stories don't matter, the lack of public safety does. And what's most infuriating is that it's not a 'place'. these problems drift like garbage on waves, collecting in random locations, esp 'safe' neighborhoods, until they are scattered away again, usually not by police because God forbid they risk actual protests from people who don't live in the affected area. (see echo Park protests).
  - rdubs333 4y ago
    as automation continues improving life and we become less dependent on jobs life will become more hedonistic. a homeless dude sits on the beach and drinks beer cause he got nothing better to do everyone freaks but a millionaire doing same thing nobody bats an eye lash. just saying i been on both sides. something gotta be done at least everyone agrees theres a problem! i think if we just had basic toilets and showers and designated camp areas with bus stops would go a long ways and wouldnt cost $100k/head. kowloon city! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City
AlexandrB 4y ago
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- marcinzm 4y ago
  You're making some very strong assumptions about the beliefs of the person you're replying to.
  - AlexandrB 4y ago
    - filoleg 4y ago
      > I'm just observing the common framing of these two issues and the contradiction therein. You are just stating the left-wing version of the common and tired right-wing "but protesters were spreading covid, despite caring about covid" trope. Exact same type of a "i just observed an interesting contradiction" statement, just a different theme/reason used as a justification for the dismissal. Both are rather pointless, as they bring nothing valuable to the discussion and just derail the conversation into a flamewar on those topics used in the "observations", rather than the actual topic at hand. Seen it way too many times in covid-related threads last year on HN.
      - AlexandrB 4y ago
        > You are just stating the left-wing version of the common and tired right-wing "but protesters were spreading covid, despite caring about covid" trope. Yeah, you're right. I think it's time for me to turn on "noprocrast" and get back to work.
- filoleg 4y ago
  > walking around maskless and unvaccinated in a pandemic is freedom I mean, I am double-vaxxed with a booster, and I never threw a hissy fit when establishments required masks, I wore them. So yeah, you are making a rather strong assumption about me there. > never mind how many well-off pet owners leave their dog's poop on sidewalks I would be extremely delighted if there was more enforcement regarding this one as well, so I don't know why you are saying this as if it was some "gotcha" moment. Rather curious why you ended up hyperfocusing on the "biohazard" aspect of my comment, as opposed to the rest of the "aesthetic inconveniences" (which, to a lot of people, would be a bit more problematic than the "biohazard" one).

guerrilla 4y ago

BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
>” Weird, starving people stole” I have never seen an emaciated homeless person. I do not excuse “stealing to eat” when soup kitchens, food banks, and food stamps are available as alternatives to crime.
- guerrilla 4y ago
  - jvanderbot 4y ago
jvanderbot 4y ago
You cannot talk me or GP out of disgust. Once you see an obviously insane person sitting in a puddle of their own pee, on the front step of a recently closed shop you used to go to, you see the problem as a problem. There are only so many times you can step over a potentially dead person on a running trail. Only to have them get up and run away when you look closely even from a distance. There's only so many times you can watch a huge person crawl out from the canals and start following people around the neighborhood before you consider moving your wife and kids away forever. Don't get me started on the actual assaults and threats that he's made. Or how about the guy who was standing beside my car with a can of gas, just looking at it swaying back and forth when we were leaving the beach. Where do my kids go when I go confront him and try to retrieve our ride? How many times can you shrug off a break in to the mail room where all the mail is just ransacked. That's only a couple years. You can have empathy in abstract. But when you're in the middle of it, the 99% sob stories don't matter, the lack of public safety does. And what's most infuriating is that it's not a 'place'. these problems drift like garbage on waves, collecting in random locations, esp 'safe' neighborhoods, until they are scattered away again, usually not by police because God forbid they risk actual protests from people who don't live in the affected area. (see echo Park protests).
- rdubs333 4y ago
  as automation continues improving life and we become less dependent on jobs life will become more hedonistic. a homeless dude sits on the beach and drinks beer cause he got nothing better to do everyone freaks but a millionaire doing same thing nobody bats an eye lash. just saying i been on both sides. something gotta be done at least everyone agrees theres a problem! i think if we just had basic toilets and showers and designated camp areas with bus stops would go a long ways and wouldnt cost $100k/head. kowloon city! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City

AlexandrB 4y ago

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marcinzm 4y ago
You're making some very strong assumptions about the beliefs of the person you're replying to.
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  - filoleg 4y ago
    > I'm just observing the common framing of these two issues and the contradiction therein. You are just stating the left-wing version of the common and tired right-wing "but protesters were spreading covid, despite caring about covid" trope. Exact same type of a "i just observed an interesting contradiction" statement, just a different theme/reason used as a justification for the dismissal. Both are rather pointless, as they bring nothing valuable to the discussion and just derail the conversation into a flamewar on those topics used in the "observations", rather than the actual topic at hand. Seen it way too many times in covid-related threads last year on HN.
    - AlexandrB 4y ago
      > You are just stating the left-wing version of the common and tired right-wing "but protesters were spreading covid, despite caring about covid" trope. Yeah, you're right. I think it's time for me to turn on "noprocrast" and get back to work.
filoleg 4y ago
> walking around maskless and unvaccinated in a pandemic is freedom I mean, I am double-vaxxed with a booster, and I never threw a hissy fit when establishments required masks, I wore them. So yeah, you are making a rather strong assumption about me there. > never mind how many well-off pet owners leave their dog's poop on sidewalks I would be extremely delighted if there was more enforcement regarding this one as well, so I don't know why you are saying this as if it was some "gotcha" moment. Rather curious why you ended up hyperfocusing on the "biohazard" aspect of my comment, as opposed to the rest of the "aesthetic inconveniences" (which, to a lot of people, would be a bit more problematic than the "biohazard" one).