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Right... because it's so great to live in a park and have a drug problem. And to have people like you look down on you.

by id 4y ago

thegrimmest 4y ago
And yet, there is a labour shortage across the country. Also I'm not looking down on anyone, merely observing that given the options, many homeless people are in the only niche they can find in our society that will accomodate their lifestyle.
- guerrilla 4y ago
  Put at least a tiny amount of thought into this. You can't get a job without a shower, without clothes, without an address, without a phone number and for many, without health care.
  - thegrimmest 4y ago
    - guerrilla 4y ago
      Right, none of them thought of that. > If you can be clean and presentable Which they can't. Also, I forgot, you also have to be able to sleep and not be constantly robbed. > From there the world is your oyster. Yeah, it's easy. That's why millions live in misery. > No excuses. This is so disgusting. I think you should try it. Then I'll listen to you.
      - thegrimmest 4y ago
        I'm living it. My family were immigrants from the Soviet Union without a penny to their name. My grandfather worked construction into his 70s supporting us. They didn't have anything at all besides grit. You skipped the part where work ethic and sobriety are all you need to get started. As to why millions live in misery, I suspect it is due to a failure to embrace work and suffering as the only constants in life.
        guerrilla 4y ago
        thegrimmest 4y ago
        I never said it's easy, only that it's simple. Much like weight loss - very simple - just eat less. Not easy though. I don't need personal experience with obesity to make this observation either.
        guerrilla 4y ago
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        thegrimmest 4y ago
        guerrilla 4y ago
- asdff 4y ago
  There is a qualified labor shortage. Go to a home depot in socal and come out with a can of paint and you will be hounded by people asking you if you need under the table labor done. A dozen workers will stand on the corner of the parking lot saying "labor labor labor!" If it were so easy to find work these days, then why are these seemingly qualified handimen begging for jobs outside home depot? Probably because its not actually so easy to find work these days if there are certain circumstances, perhaps your immigration status, that make it difficult to find work you'd be otherwise qualified to perform.
  - tdfx 4y ago
    There's tons of qualified people that are unable to find work simply because of their immigration status. Having work permission in the US is a massive economic advantage so it makes the situation of Americans who throw away that gift they were born into that much more jarring and hard to sympathize with. Anecdotally, a friend of mine has attempted to hire homeless people on multiple occasions to help him in residential demolition projects (no clean clothes, resume, or shower necessary). In one instance, he scheduled work for the following day and zero out of 8 people showed up. I'm sure there's homeless people that would like to work their way of the situation, but I don't think they are in the majority. Any solutions to this problem need to be more realistic about the motivations and intentions of the group they're trying to assist.
    - everforward 4y ago
      The other side of the "not showing up" story has merit too. I had a (former) friend that did the same, and asked why people hadn't shown up. The pay is terrible. In his case, it was below minimum wage. He argued he could get better labor for minimum wage, so they could either take it or be replaced. He was also renting them the same place they were renovating. It was a slum, and he was using their labor to improve it so he could kick them out and replace them with someone that would pay. Not exactly a thrilling proposal. There was no safety equipment provided. It was an old building, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was full of asbestos (and maybe why he didn't hire a reputable company in the first place). The place was filthy. Human feces in a bucket kind of filthy. > Any solutions to this problem need to be more realistic about the motivations and intentions of the group they're trying to assist. There's a grain of truth here. My phrasing would be "Any solution provided needs to be better than panhandling." Doing difficult physical labor for below minimum wage doesn't meet that criteria. Even at minimum wage, I don't know if it's better.

Right... because it's so great to live in a park and have a drug problem. And to have people like you look down on you.

by id 4y ago

Right... because it's so great to live in a park and have a drug problem. And to have people like you look down on you.

And yet, there is a labour shortage across the country. Also I'm not looking down on anyone, merely observing that given the options, many homeless people are in the only niche they can find in our society that will accomodate their lifestyle.

guerrilla 4y ago
Put at least a tiny amount of thought into this. You can't get a job without a shower, without clothes, without an address, without a phone number and for many, without health care.
- thegrimmest 4y ago
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    Right, none of them thought of that. > If you can be clean and presentable Which they can't. Also, I forgot, you also have to be able to sleep and not be constantly robbed. > From there the world is your oyster. Yeah, it's easy. That's why millions live in misery. > No excuses. This is so disgusting. I think you should try it. Then I'll listen to you.
    - thegrimmest 4y ago
      I'm living it. My family were immigrants from the Soviet Union without a penny to their name. My grandfather worked construction into his 70s supporting us. They didn't have anything at all besides grit. You skipped the part where work ethic and sobriety are all you need to get started. As to why millions live in misery, I suspect it is due to a failure to embrace work and suffering as the only constants in life.
      - guerrilla 4y ago
        thegrimmest 4y ago
        I never said it's easy, only that it's simple. Much like weight loss - very simple - just eat less. Not easy though. I don't need personal experience with obesity to make this observation either.
        guerrilla 4y ago
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        thegrimmest 4y ago
        guerrilla 4y ago
asdff 4y ago
There is a qualified labor shortage. Go to a home depot in socal and come out with a can of paint and you will be hounded by people asking you if you need under the table labor done. A dozen workers will stand on the corner of the parking lot saying "labor labor labor!" If it were so easy to find work these days, then why are these seemingly qualified handimen begging for jobs outside home depot? Probably because its not actually so easy to find work these days if there are certain circumstances, perhaps your immigration status, that make it difficult to find work you'd be otherwise qualified to perform.
- tdfx 4y ago
  There's tons of qualified people that are unable to find work simply because of their immigration status. Having work permission in the US is a massive economic advantage so it makes the situation of Americans who throw away that gift they were born into that much more jarring and hard to sympathize with. Anecdotally, a friend of mine has attempted to hire homeless people on multiple occasions to help him in residential demolition projects (no clean clothes, resume, or shower necessary). In one instance, he scheduled work for the following day and zero out of 8 people showed up. I'm sure there's homeless people that would like to work their way of the situation, but I don't think they are in the majority. Any solutions to this problem need to be more realistic about the motivations and intentions of the group they're trying to assist.
  - everforward 4y ago
    The other side of the "not showing up" story has merit too. I had a (former) friend that did the same, and asked why people hadn't shown up. The pay is terrible. In his case, it was below minimum wage. He argued he could get better labor for minimum wage, so they could either take it or be replaced. He was also renting them the same place they were renovating. It was a slum, and he was using their labor to improve it so he could kick them out and replace them with someone that would pay. Not exactly a thrilling proposal. There was no safety equipment provided. It was an old building, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was full of asbestos (and maybe why he didn't hire a reputable company in the first place). The place was filthy. Human feces in a bucket kind of filthy. > Any solutions to this problem need to be more realistic about the motivations and intentions of the group they're trying to assist. There's a grain of truth here. My phrasing would be "Any solution provided needs to be better than panhandling." Doing difficult physical labor for below minimum wage doesn't meet that criteria. Even at minimum wage, I don't know if it's better.