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Yeah this narrative is troubling. I’ve read stuff from IPCC contributors who compare climate change to Covid, especially in the case of people living in the fir

by boppo1 4y ago

Yeah this narrative is troubling. I’ve read stuff from IPCC contributors who compare climate change to Covid, especially in the case of people living in the first world. Things will get harder and the shape of our lives will change, but “civilizational collapse” is a term from people gleefully imagining the end of the world like they would a zombie apocalypse.

balaji1 4y ago
this article has bought into a lot of narratives of doomsaying and the "real" causes of it. It complains about coal consumption in India and China, conveniently linked to a reuters article. > With China and India not even starting the process of coal draw-down yet... It is fine to assume the Global South is trending towards further coal usage. Maybe the developed world can help them transition to something sustainable like nuclear power. There has to be an element of truth in Michael Moore's extreme Planet of the Humans. At least Amazon's Eating our way to Extinction [1] makes a convincing argument against deforestation and meat consumption trends. But the West is continuing to sell the global south a lifestyle (foreign to them) of extreme meat eating, among other unsustainable consumption lifestyle. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Eating-Our-Extinction-Kate-Winslet/dp/B09KJK9K6T https://www.amazon.com/Eating-Our-Extinction-Kate-Winslet/dp...
yanderekko 4y ago
I don't think they're gleeful, they just deeply believe that we need to reject capitalism and/or embrace some sort of global technocratic governance, and see the threat of climate catastrophe as the most-plausible mechanism that such a change would come about.
- boppo1 4y ago
  That's an interesting take I hadn't thought of. At first I read it dismissively, but it's surprisingly plausible given the role software engineers have taken over the last 15 years.
- goatlover 4y ago
  I'm deeply suspicious of any environmental cause that starts with having to reject capitalism. Particularly when it advocates for totalitarian government as a solution. I tend to think the environmental cause is being used to justify belief in some other system.

by boppo1 4y ago

balaji1 4y ago

this article has bought into a lot of narratives of doomsaying and the "real" causes of it. It complains about coal consumption in India and China, conveniently linked to a reuters article. > With China and India not even starting the process of coal draw-down yet... It is fine to assume the Global South is trending towards further coal usage. Maybe the developed world can help them transition to something sustainable like nuclear power. There has to be an element of truth in Michael Moore's extreme Planet of the Humans. At least Amazon's Eating our way to Extinction [1] makes a convincing argument against deforestation and meat consumption trends. But the West is continuing to sell the global south a lifestyle (foreign to them) of extreme meat eating, among other unsustainable consumption lifestyle. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Eating-Our-Extinction-Kate-Winslet/dp/B09KJK9K6T https://www.amazon.com/Eating-Our-Extinction-Kate-Winslet/dp...

yanderekko 4y ago

I don't think they're gleeful, they just deeply believe that we need to reject capitalism and/or embrace some sort of global technocratic governance, and see the threat of climate catastrophe as the most-plausible mechanism that such a change would come about.

boppo1 4y ago
That's an interesting take I hadn't thought of. At first I read it dismissively, but it's surprisingly plausible given the role software engineers have taken over the last 15 years.
goatlover 4y ago
I'm deeply suspicious of any environmental cause that starts with having to reject capitalism. Particularly when it advocates for totalitarian government as a solution. I tend to think the environmental cause is being used to justify belief in some other system.