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What I wish I would have read in an article written by somebody who “covers issues broadly related to infectious diseases, including outbreaks, preparedness, re

What I wish I would have read in an article written by somebody who “covers issues broadly related to infectious diseases, including outbreaks, preparedness, research, and vaccine development”: > Could the worldwide inoculation with fairly new mRNA vaccines be an impacting factor in this development? “No, that is unlikely” says [Renowned authority in immunology], “because [plausible reasons]” What I instead got regarding this direction was: > (null) Don’t get me wrong, I am fully vaccinated and still recommend it to everybody. But I do see the tendency of distrust against the new vaccination techniques rising in my surrounding since everybody is getting sick all the time now. Especially since this development didn’t show in the first opening after the first (or second for some) wave before vaccinations were available for wide audiences. Please, tell them it’s not the vaccines. Discuss it, convince them, give them the truthful impression that their choice to trust in science and the government was not bad. Their doubts are honest and it must be allowed to doubt and to demand to see convincing evidence. Don’t write doubters off as heretics. This must be talked about and refuted.

frenchy 4y ago
You're right that this should get talked about, simply because it's the sort of thing that some people will wonder about. That said, I'm pretty sure "everybody getting sick all the time" has basically been the expected outcome of since about winter 2020 or earlier. After the lockdowns where started, rates of non-covid-19 respiratory diseses dropped, and the flu in particular was a lot less common, dispite a poor flu vaccine and uptake. Ever since the winter of 2020, the doctors in my country have been warning us that the flus could be particularly nasty as people stopped social distancing/masking/etc.
kirykl 4y ago
> No, that is unlikely” says [Renowned authority in immunology], “because [plausible reasons]” You would like to see your preconceived conclusion in print without any evidence for its proof yourself ? I’d prefer evidence either way regardless of the conclusion
- wardedVibe 4y ago
  Presumably [plausible reasons] involve things like studies and data.
zmgsabst 4y ago
I would enjoy an explanation of the rise and timing of excess “all cause” mortality in Australia. I’m happy not to believe this website, but I need more than “shut up, conspiracy theorist” to get there. https://metatron.substack.com/p/australia-begins-to-reap-what-it?s=r https://metatron.substack.com/p/australia-begins-to-reap-wha...
- tomComb 4y ago
  So we have to disprove the claims of any random blog?
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    When that blog makes a claim based on official death data, yes. That’s how science works: - Person A makes claim X - Person A then points to data consistent with that claim X and which seems to contradict claim Y - Person B who supports claim Y needs to explain how that data doesn’t contradict claim Y In this case: Claim X — COVID vaccines were not safe Claim Y — COVID vaccines are safe
    - soared 4y ago
      That author just put a line on a time series graph and said the event that occurred somewhere near that line is the cause of the change. Thats not a claim based on official data, thats not even a valid attempt at analysis. Let me plot a time series of temperature by day. Now I'll draw a line where we see firework sales increase massively. Then after that point, temperature increases consistently. Science, official data, etc. No lies here. But now lets claim.... shooting off fireworks increases the temperature of the Earth causing the temperature to rise until the fall/winter. Now you need to expend resources disproving me.
      - zmgsabst 4y ago
        You used that example, but it’s not accurate: If you excluded the reverse, that temperature caused the spike (as they did by showing the COVID curve didn’t account for the excess deaths), then that would be an argument worth refuting.
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ouid 4y ago
If it helps you, inflation is also not caused by mRNA vaccines.

frenchy 4y ago

You're right that this should get talked about, simply because it's the sort of thing that some people will wonder about. That said, I'm pretty sure "everybody getting sick all the time" has basically been the expected outcome of since about winter 2020 or earlier. After the lockdowns where started, rates of non-covid-19 respiratory diseses dropped, and the flu in particular was a lot less common, dispite a poor flu vaccine and uptake. Ever since the winter of 2020, the doctors in my country have been warning us that the flus could be particularly nasty as people stopped social distancing/masking/etc.

kirykl 4y ago

> No, that is unlikely” says [Renowned authority in immunology], “because [plausible reasons]” You would like to see your preconceived conclusion in print without any evidence for its proof yourself ? I’d prefer evidence either way regardless of the conclusion

wardedVibe 4y ago
Presumably [plausible reasons] involve things like studies and data.

zmgsabst 4y ago

I would enjoy an explanation of the rise and timing of excess “all cause” mortality in Australia. I’m happy not to believe this website, but I need more than “shut up, conspiracy theorist” to get there. https://metatron.substack.com/p/australia-begins-to-reap-what-it?s=r https://metatron.substack.com/p/australia-begins-to-reap-wha...

tomComb 4y ago
So we have to disprove the claims of any random blog?
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  When that blog makes a claim based on official death data, yes. That’s how science works: - Person A makes claim X - Person A then points to data consistent with that claim X and which seems to contradict claim Y - Person B who supports claim Y needs to explain how that data doesn’t contradict claim Y In this case: Claim X — COVID vaccines were not safe Claim Y — COVID vaccines are safe
  - soared 4y ago
    That author just put a line on a time series graph and said the event that occurred somewhere near that line is the cause of the change. Thats not a claim based on official data, thats not even a valid attempt at analysis. Let me plot a time series of temperature by day. Now I'll draw a line where we see firework sales increase massively. Then after that point, temperature increases consistently. Science, official data, etc. No lies here. But now lets claim.... shooting off fireworks increases the temperature of the Earth causing the temperature to rise until the fall/winter. Now you need to expend resources disproving me.
    - zmgsabst 4y ago
      You used that example, but it’s not accurate: If you excluded the reverse, that temperature caused the spike (as they did by showing the COVID curve didn’t account for the excess deaths), then that would be an argument worth refuting.

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ouid 4y ago

If it helps you, inflation is also not caused by mRNA vaccines.