3 ms·

"Dying in committee" means that the bill did not go to the entire California Senate for a vote, but that a majority of the committee to which the bill was assig

by phrz 4y ago

"Dying in committee" means that the bill did not go to the entire California Senate for a vote, but that a majority of the committee to which the bill was assigned were unable to support the bill to move it onto the floor. It looks like the article links to the site that tracks bill status, but it appears that site does not record how a committee voted.

black_puppydog 4y ago
> it appears that site does not record how a committee voted Do you know if that information will be public record in any way? If not, this seems like an awful lot of power in very few, non-accountable hands...
- jfengel 4y ago
  They're accountable in the sense that they're all up for reelection. You can show up and demand an explanation of the bill status and the role they played. If you don't like it you can vote for someone else. In practice I suspect very few people care all that much. Some do, of course, but for most it won't be top of their priority list. This is the real challenge of democracy. We think of it in terms of yeah no votes, but the real work is done by the people choosing from millions of options to put the final up-down choice in front of you. Nobody has yet found a good way to do collaboration on that scale.
  - black_puppydog 4y ago
    > demand an explanation of the bill status and the role they played That's just what I meant. Can you know which senator voted how within that committee? Otherwise it'd be easy for them to say "well I voted for it of course!"
    - jfengel 4y ago
      It likely didn't come to a vote. They were probably still working on coming up with text to vote on.
CodeWriter23 4y ago
It just hasn’t been updated yet. You’ll be able to see it when the update happens, here https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB893 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xht... The Rules Committees from both chambers have required Roll Call votes, primarily so CADEM can punish its members who go off message.

by phrz 4y ago

black_puppydog 4y ago

> it appears that site does not record how a committee voted Do you know if that information will be public record in any way? If not, this seems like an awful lot of power in very few, non-accountable hands...

jfengel 4y ago
They're accountable in the sense that they're all up for reelection. You can show up and demand an explanation of the bill status and the role they played. If you don't like it you can vote for someone else. In practice I suspect very few people care all that much. Some do, of course, but for most it won't be top of their priority list. This is the real challenge of democracy. We think of it in terms of yeah no votes, but the real work is done by the people choosing from millions of options to put the final up-down choice in front of you. Nobody has yet found a good way to do collaboration on that scale.
- black_puppydog 4y ago
  > demand an explanation of the bill status and the role they played That's just what I meant. Can you know which senator voted how within that committee? Otherwise it'd be easy for them to say "well I voted for it of course!"
  - jfengel 4y ago
    It likely didn't come to a vote. They were probably still working on coming up with text to vote on.

CodeWriter23 4y ago

It just hasn’t been updated yet. You’ll be able to see it when the update happens, here https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB893 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xht... The Rules Committees from both chambers have required Roll Call votes, primarily so CADEM can punish its members who go off message.