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If it was just detergent DRM, I'd probably agree with you.

by paskozdilar 4y ago

Semaphor 4y ago
So which parts are bad enough that you’d prefer medieval serfdom?
- paskozdilar 4y ago
  Noise pollution is my number one. There is simply no way to escape it living in the city, and there are no job opportunities for software engineers on the countryside (not that it's perfect on the countryside either - given all the motor-based tractors, chainsaws, lawnmowers, leafblowers...). I hate it and it's driving me crazy and all I want is peace and quiet, but apparently, that's too much to ask and I'm spoiled and it's all in my head and I should shut the fuck up and stop bothering the noisemakers. There are many others that I can't think of right now, I don't really keep a list.
  - throwaway09223 4y ago
    When I worked in San Francisco I lived in a quiet suburb a few miles from BART. I couldn't hear much of anything. In any event, nowadays it's extremely easy to get a full time remote gig and live in a truly remote location - especially factoring in lower cost of living. This doesn't seem like an actual problem. Actually, it seems like the industrial revolution has provided an idyllic outcome for people in your situation.
    - paskozdilar 4y ago
      That's a good point, and one I have considered many times. It has its tradeoffs. I suppose right now it's much more important for me to be close to humans and to learn and develop myself, so it's a necessity for me to be here. Once I get a good enough remote job I will definitely move somewhere far away from everything.
      - throwaway09223 4y ago
        Sure. I think that's a really reasonable choice. Regarding the original point, I think it's important to highlight that without the industrial revolution humans wouldn't be able to live closely together in cities. Living in a city is a choice, and you've chosen the modern option because it's superior. This doesn't seem like a disaster as much as a net-positive with some fairly mild tradeoffs.
        paskozdilar 4y ago
        > Regarding the original point, I think it's important to highlight that without the industrial revolution humans wouldn't be able to live closely together in cities. Note that settlements have naturally occurred around rivers because of agriculture (e.g. Mesopotamia), so "cities", in some sense of the word, have existed long before the industrial evolution. I am aware that civilization brings good stuff with it - it's hard to not be aware of it - but I don't think the tradeoff is worth it. I think it can be, and ought to be, much better than this. It is my opinion that each and every human deserves to (be able to) live in an environment that is pleasant to them. I see it as a fundamental human right.
  - marcinzm 4y ago
    I mean with the growth of renewable energy, satellite internet and WFH you can work from the middle of the woods (and there's actually many woods out there still). All of that thanks to ever progressing technology.
    - hulitu 4y ago
      In theory, yes. In practice it is a bit mote difficult.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    If you own your house, spend the money for triple-glazed windows and have a sound/insulation gap check. It helps tremendously.
  - cjbgkagh 4y ago
    Unusually high levels of noise sensitivity (low tolerance) may be an indication of an underlying genetic condition like hEDS.
    - andai 4y ago
      Interesting, what makes you say that? Autism also typically comes with noise sensitivity and is about 100x more common than hEDS. Or were you suggesting that it may have a genetic basis in general (which would be useful to diagnose)? That makes sense.
      - cjbgkagh 4y ago
        It’s an example I’m more familiar with, but yes it’s a behavioral indication of a genetic condition. hEDS is massively under diagnosed (by at least an order of magnitude) and many with hEDS have ASD. Someone who is high functioning ASD has a much greater probability of having hEDS. Fewer people have heard of it and it is more treatable.
- concordDance 4y ago
  It's a shame we can't go back to the pre-serfdom days, before mass agriculture.
  - andai 4y ago
    See also: The Agricultural Revolution Has Been a Disaster for The Human Race[0] [0]: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZdjP0NZO-CU https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZdjP0NZO-CU

If it was just detergent DRM, I'd probably agree with you.

Semaphor 4y ago

So which parts are bad enough that you’d prefer medieval serfdom?

paskozdilar 4y ago
Noise pollution is my number one. There is simply no way to escape it living in the city, and there are no job opportunities for software engineers on the countryside (not that it's perfect on the countryside either - given all the motor-based tractors, chainsaws, lawnmowers, leafblowers...). I hate it and it's driving me crazy and all I want is peace and quiet, but apparently, that's too much to ask and I'm spoiled and it's all in my head and I should shut the fuck up and stop bothering the noisemakers. There are many others that I can't think of right now, I don't really keep a list.
- throwaway09223 4y ago
  When I worked in San Francisco I lived in a quiet suburb a few miles from BART. I couldn't hear much of anything. In any event, nowadays it's extremely easy to get a full time remote gig and live in a truly remote location - especially factoring in lower cost of living. This doesn't seem like an actual problem. Actually, it seems like the industrial revolution has provided an idyllic outcome for people in your situation.
  - paskozdilar 4y ago
    That's a good point, and one I have considered many times. It has its tradeoffs. I suppose right now it's much more important for me to be close to humans and to learn and develop myself, so it's a necessity for me to be here. Once I get a good enough remote job I will definitely move somewhere far away from everything.
    - throwaway09223 4y ago
      Sure. I think that's a really reasonable choice. Regarding the original point, I think it's important to highlight that without the industrial revolution humans wouldn't be able to live closely together in cities. Living in a city is a choice, and you've chosen the modern option because it's superior. This doesn't seem like a disaster as much as a net-positive with some fairly mild tradeoffs.
      - paskozdilar 4y ago
        > Regarding the original point, I think it's important to highlight that without the industrial revolution humans wouldn't be able to live closely together in cities. Note that settlements have naturally occurred around rivers because of agriculture (e.g. Mesopotamia), so "cities", in some sense of the word, have existed long before the industrial evolution. I am aware that civilization brings good stuff with it - it's hard to not be aware of it - but I don't think the tradeoff is worth it. I think it can be, and ought to be, much better than this. It is my opinion that each and every human deserves to (be able to) live in an environment that is pleasant to them. I see it as a fundamental human right.
- marcinzm 4y ago
  I mean with the growth of renewable energy, satellite internet and WFH you can work from the middle of the woods (and there's actually many woods out there still). All of that thanks to ever progressing technology.
  - hulitu 4y ago
    In theory, yes. In practice it is a bit mote difficult.
- bombcar 4y ago
  If you own your house, spend the money for triple-glazed windows and have a sound/insulation gap check. It helps tremendously.
- cjbgkagh 4y ago
  Unusually high levels of noise sensitivity (low tolerance) may be an indication of an underlying genetic condition like hEDS.
  - andai 4y ago
    Interesting, what makes you say that? Autism also typically comes with noise sensitivity and is about 100x more common than hEDS. Or were you suggesting that it may have a genetic basis in general (which would be useful to diagnose)? That makes sense.
    - cjbgkagh 4y ago
      It’s an example I’m more familiar with, but yes it’s a behavioral indication of a genetic condition. hEDS is massively under diagnosed (by at least an order of magnitude) and many with hEDS have ASD. Someone who is high functioning ASD has a much greater probability of having hEDS. Fewer people have heard of it and it is more treatable.
concordDance 4y ago
It's a shame we can't go back to the pre-serfdom days, before mass agriculture.
- andai 4y ago
  See also: The Agricultural Revolution Has Been a Disaster for The Human Race[0] [0]: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZdjP0NZO-CU https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZdjP0NZO-CU