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> RT wouldn't have had an English version website and YouTube channel The same applies to the American equivalents of these outlets [0], which are not just far

> RT wouldn't have had an English version website and YouTube channel The same applies to the American equivalents of these outlets [0], which are not just far more numerous, but have always made a point of broadcasting in non-English languages, as not doing so used to be literally illegal [1]. > If an enemy ( yes, Russia is an enemy to world peace and humanity, no, the regular Russian isn't) Russia can be an enemy to the US, but declaring something or somebody an "enemy of world peace and humanity" is not only quite sensationalist, but conveniently fits the narrative the American equivalents of RT have been globally blasting out for many decades. > The paradox of tolerance is at work - allowing Russian state sponsored propaganda, and even worse, Russian state sponsored parties ( RN in France, AfD in Germany, Vuzrajdane in Bulgaria) in democratic countries, they will exploit that to sow division and destroy democracies from within, same as the Nazis did. What foreign sponsors did the Nazis have? In the case of the German AfD most of the actual know-how, enabling their populist rise, is actually based on American platforms and talent [2]. A lot of their finances are similarly questionable as NPD finances have been, as in; Having an oddly common proximity with the German BND [3]. Yet any kind of nationalist political extremism in Europe must somehow be the fault of Russia, just like US presidents getting elected was the fault of Russia, all very convenient narrative wise, just not very realistic. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_America [1] https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-... [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-29/the-german-far-right-finds-friends-through-facebook https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-29/the-germa... [3] https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/afd-parteienfinanzierung-grossspende-von-mutmasslichem-ex-waffenhaendler-aus-bangkok-a-1248416.html https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/afd-parteienfinan...

sofixa 4y ago
> Russia can be an enemy to the US, but declaring something or somebody an "enemy of world peace and humanity" is not only quite sensationalist, but conveniently fits the narrative the American equivalents of RT have been globally blasting out for many decades. American narratives are sometimes true. Yes, Russia is an enemy of world peace and humanity, and Europe and the US in particular, their brutality in wars they've chosen speaks for itself. Yes, we all know the Americans have chosen quite some wars themselves, but they didn't employ WWI tactics destroying every civilian anything, and they didn't mass kidnap children. I didn't mean that Nazis were foreign supported, but that today Russia supports various parties across Europe, and that support is quite similar in spirit to the Nazi exploitation of democracy for their own goals. AfD-Russia links https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement RN in France was literally bailed out by Russian loans ( from banks close to the government). Both are extremely unhealthy things for the local democracies, and IMHO foreign support (monetary and otherwise) of politicians should be heavily regulated, if not outright banned. The American "corporate money is free speech" is one of the stupidest things to come out of their legal system.
- freeflight 4y ago
  > American narratives are sometimes true. And too often they are sheer projection. > Yes, Russia is an enemy of world peace and humanity, and Europe and the US in particular, their brutality in wars they've chosen speaks for itself. War is war, the people who these days act like the war in Ukraine is "extra brutal" are mostly falling for propaganda and have already forgotten what "western war" looks like [0] Or how this kind of brutality's has been a constant for these last two decades in the MENA region, in no small part to the US and its vassal states. > Yes, we all know the Americans have chosen quite some wars themselves, but they didn't employ WWI tactics destroying every civilian anything, and they didn't mass kidnap children. This is just revisionism. The invasion of Iraq, and most Western interventions, started by bombing and leveling most civilian infrastructure. In Iraq that was called "shock and awe" [1], killed several thousand civilians in the first weeks of the invasion alone. "Mass kidnapping children" is another one of those propaganda golden oldies. The CIA spread similar propaganda about the USSR, was blasting the whole island of Cuba with it [2]. Americans, and some Cubans, were so outraged about it, they started kidnapping Cuban children to protect them from getting kidnapped by Communists [3]. > I didn't mean that Nazis were foreign supported But they actually were, got a lot of their funding from over the pond out of the US, it's very much how the Bush dynasty became a dynasty, the Rockefellers were straight up funding eugenics programs in Nazi Germany. > but that today Russia supports various parties across Europe Germanys current foreign minister was literally groomed in the US's Young Leaders Program, which is a constant for most German politics; US interests everywhere, even above the rights and laws that are supposed to protect the German people. > quite similar in spirit to the Nazi exploitation of democracy for their own goals How so? Did I miss the massive fire in the state Duma? No offense, but all you are doing is regurgitating the 101 of propaganda [4], straight down to the "They are worse than Nazis, while we only fight for a just and noble cause!" bit [5]. Which as a German, is getting quite tiresome because it's so common. Whenever the US declares somebody the enemy, the WWII and Nazi comparisons are sure to follow. At this point it's not just quite predictable, but it constantly belittles the actual Holocaust and the crimes of the actual Nazi regime. > AfD-Russia links https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement > RN in France was literally bailed out by Russian loans ( from banks close to the government). Now start tracking US money in European politics, if you need some pointers; The aforementioned Young Leaders Program, the Transatlantic Bridge, Council of Foreign relations, news media publishers having the unconditional US support literally as part of their company guidelines (Springer). Former German defense ministers are now working in the US as consultants, the very same US consultants who are then responsible for German policy decisions, like in regards to the Bundeswehr [6]. This kind of "fealty" reaches all the way into affecting what should be justice [7] and makes a complete sham of Germanys allegedly "neutral" position. It's also not unique to Germany; During the Cold War the US was supporting and funding all kinds of fascist movements throughout Europe for it's NATO stay behind operations [8], that also involved operating in non-NATO countries, to influence the domestic politics in their and NATO's favor. One would need to be naïve to assume these efforts have simply stopped. > The American "corporate money is free speech" is one of the stupidest things to come out of their legal system. Yet has literally nothing to do with Russia, Ukraine or Europe. Or is this an attempt to frame even Citizen United as the fault of Russia? [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/29/international/worldspecial/us-troops-fire-on-iraqi-protesters-leaving-15.html https://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/29/international/worldspecia... [1] https://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/water-under-siege-iraq-usuk-military-forces-risk-committing-war-crimes-depriving https://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/water-under-siege-iraq-usu... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Swan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Swan [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Peter_Pan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Peter_Pan [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsehood_in_War-Time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsehood_in_War-Time [5] https://apnews.com/article/c456d72625fba6c742d17f1699b18a16 https://apnews.com/article/c456d72625fba6c742d17f1699b18a16 [6] https://www.capital.de/wirtschaft-politik/wie-mckinsey-bei-der-bundeswehr-zu-auftraegen-kam https://www.capital.de/wirtschaft-politik/wie-mckinsey-bei-d... [7] https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/08/germany-could-have-delivered-justice-for-civilian-drone-strike-victims-it-failed/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/08/germany-could-have-deli... [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

sofixa 4y ago

> Russia can be an enemy to the US, but declaring something or somebody an "enemy of world peace and humanity" is not only quite sensationalist, but conveniently fits the narrative the American equivalents of RT have been globally blasting out for many decades. American narratives are sometimes true. Yes, Russia is an enemy of world peace and humanity, and Europe and the US in particular, their brutality in wars they've chosen speaks for itself. Yes, we all know the Americans have chosen quite some wars themselves, but they didn't employ WWI tactics destroying every civilian anything, and they didn't mass kidnap children. I didn't mean that Nazis were foreign supported, but that today Russia supports various parties across Europe, and that support is quite similar in spirit to the Nazi exploitation of democracy for their own goals. AfD-Russia links https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement RN in France was literally bailed out by Russian loans ( from banks close to the government). Both are extremely unhealthy things for the local democracies, and IMHO foreign support (monetary and otherwise) of politicians should be heavily regulated, if not outright banned. The American "corporate money is free speech" is one of the stupidest things to come out of their legal system.

freeflight 4y ago
> American narratives are sometimes true. And too often they are sheer projection. > Yes, Russia is an enemy of world peace and humanity, and Europe and the US in particular, their brutality in wars they've chosen speaks for itself. War is war, the people who these days act like the war in Ukraine is "extra brutal" are mostly falling for propaganda and have already forgotten what "western war" looks like [0] Or how this kind of brutality's has been a constant for these last two decades in the MENA region, in no small part to the US and its vassal states. > Yes, we all know the Americans have chosen quite some wars themselves, but they didn't employ WWI tactics destroying every civilian anything, and they didn't mass kidnap children. This is just revisionism. The invasion of Iraq, and most Western interventions, started by bombing and leveling most civilian infrastructure. In Iraq that was called "shock and awe" [1], killed several thousand civilians in the first weeks of the invasion alone. "Mass kidnapping children" is another one of those propaganda golden oldies. The CIA spread similar propaganda about the USSR, was blasting the whole island of Cuba with it [2]. Americans, and some Cubans, were so outraged about it, they started kidnapping Cuban children to protect them from getting kidnapped by Communists [3]. > I didn't mean that Nazis were foreign supported But they actually were, got a lot of their funding from over the pond out of the US, it's very much how the Bush dynasty became a dynasty, the Rockefellers were straight up funding eugenics programs in Nazi Germany. > but that today Russia supports various parties across Europe Germanys current foreign minister was literally groomed in the US's Young Leaders Program, which is a constant for most German politics; US interests everywhere, even above the rights and laws that are supposed to protect the German people. > quite similar in spirit to the Nazi exploitation of democracy for their own goals How so? Did I miss the massive fire in the state Duma? No offense, but all you are doing is regurgitating the 101 of propaganda [4], straight down to the "They are worse than Nazis, while we only fight for a just and noble cause!" bit [5]. Which as a German, is getting quite tiresome because it's so common. Whenever the US declares somebody the enemy, the WWII and Nazi comparisons are sure to follow. At this point it's not just quite predictable, but it constantly belittles the actual Holocaust and the crimes of the actual Nazi regime. > AfD-Russia links https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement > RN in France was literally bailed out by Russian loans ( from banks close to the government). Now start tracking US money in European politics, if you need some pointers; The aforementioned Young Leaders Program, the Transatlantic Bridge, Council of Foreign relations, news media publishers having the unconditional US support literally as part of their company guidelines (Springer). Former German defense ministers are now working in the US as consultants, the very same US consultants who are then responsible for German policy decisions, like in regards to the Bundeswehr [6]. This kind of "fealty" reaches all the way into affecting what should be justice [7] and makes a complete sham of Germanys allegedly "neutral" position. It's also not unique to Germany; During the Cold War the US was supporting and funding all kinds of fascist movements throughout Europe for it's NATO stay behind operations [8], that also involved operating in non-NATO countries, to influence the domestic politics in their and NATO's favor. One would need to be naïve to assume these efforts have simply stopped. > The American "corporate money is free speech" is one of the stupidest things to come out of their legal system. Yet has literally nothing to do with Russia, Ukraine or Europe. Or is this an attempt to frame even Citizen United as the fault of Russia? [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/29/international/worldspecial/us-troops-fire-on-iraqi-protesters-leaving-15.html https://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/29/international/worldspecia... [1] https://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/water-under-siege-iraq-usuk-military-forces-risk-committing-war-crimes-depriving https://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/water-under-siege-iraq-usu... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Swan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Swan [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Peter_Pan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Peter_Pan [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsehood_in_War-Time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsehood_in_War-Time [5] https://apnews.com/article/c456d72625fba6c742d17f1699b18a16 https://apnews.com/article/c456d72625fba6c742d17f1699b18a16 [6] https://www.capital.de/wirtschaft-politik/wie-mckinsey-bei-der-bundeswehr-zu-auftraegen-kam https://www.capital.de/wirtschaft-politik/wie-mckinsey-bei-d... [7] https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/08/germany-could-have-delivered-justice-for-civilian-drone-strike-victims-it-failed/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/08/germany-could-have-deli... [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio