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Eastern Europe saw it first hand what will happen when you make money worthless and success undesirable. Whole society has fallen into economical apathy between

Eastern Europe saw it first hand what will happen when you make money worthless and success undesirable. Whole society has fallen into economical apathy between 1950-1990.

Shadonototra 4y ago
i never said communism is the solution and i never said "success to become undesirable" success in our society isn't even desirable, what is desirable is generating profit you can generate profit by burning and cutting all the trees in our planet, is that your definition of successful? why should we reward that behavior with wealth? our society needs to be reinvented, taking into account the impact of your action on the society, its people, and how it can help advance humankind rewarding people with wealth is not helping achieve that goal, since to get something, you must take it away from somebody else, otherwise you generate infinite inflation if you keep print money green energies, social work, scientific research, education etc all of that already is the fruit of social policies (health through government funding, science through government funded universities etc) do you really think we can use our current model when the time of space travel / colonies will come? we must prepare and invent a society that promotes the inclusion of everyone towards the same goal, the advance of humankind and its preservation, rather than the preservation of the individualism
- visarga 4y ago
  > our society needs to be reinvented, taking into account the impact of your action on the society Those are called externalities and you're right, they should be accounted for. You are against abusive externalities not money. > rewarding people with wealth is not helping achieve that goal, since to get something, you must take it away from somebody else So you believe economy is a zero sum game? If it were so, society would not grow and develop over decades. Due to scientific discoveries, engineering, computing, logistics and automation we get more for the same effort. Life in a self reliant community or in an isolated country like N Korea or Russia is hard because it's closer to a zero sum game.

Eastern Europe saw it first hand what will happen when you make money worthless and success undesirable. Whole society has fallen into economical apathy between 1950-1990.

Shadonototra 4y ago

i never said communism is the solution and i never said "success to become undesirable" success in our society isn't even desirable, what is desirable is generating profit you can generate profit by burning and cutting all the trees in our planet, is that your definition of successful? why should we reward that behavior with wealth? our society needs to be reinvented, taking into account the impact of your action on the society, its people, and how it can help advance humankind rewarding people with wealth is not helping achieve that goal, since to get something, you must take it away from somebody else, otherwise you generate infinite inflation if you keep print money green energies, social work, scientific research, education etc all of that already is the fruit of social policies (health through government funding, science through government funded universities etc) do you really think we can use our current model when the time of space travel / colonies will come? we must prepare and invent a society that promotes the inclusion of everyone towards the same goal, the advance of humankind and its preservation, rather than the preservation of the individualism

visarga 4y ago
> our society needs to be reinvented, taking into account the impact of your action on the society Those are called externalities and you're right, they should be accounted for. You are against abusive externalities not money. > rewarding people with wealth is not helping achieve that goal, since to get something, you must take it away from somebody else So you believe economy is a zero sum game? If it were so, society would not grow and develop over decades. Due to scientific discoveries, engineering, computing, logistics and automation we get more for the same effort. Life in a self reliant community or in an isolated country like N Korea or Russia is hard because it's closer to a zero sum game.