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What's the bet you stuck your nose up at your parents that wouldn't "just learn the new tech" when you were younger?

badkitty 4y ago
This has nothing to do with "kids these days", and everything to do with redefining ownership. When these backhaul comms go in this hardware, that "purchase" doesn't convey ownership. I would describe it as a rental in ownership's clothing. It's not about 'learn the new tech' - it's 'learn when the company decides you don't need a feature or just decides to no longer support it' and remotely disables
- dhzhzjsbevs 4y ago
  - BenjiWiebe 4y ago
    Why coreboot? Is it pretty common to have laptop/desktop firmware send usage data over WiFi or Ethernet? I'd be impressed. The firmware on my devices anyways seems to be the minimum they could get away with...
    - cesarb 4y ago
      > Is it pretty common to have laptop/desktop firmware send usage data over WiFi or Ethernet? Have you heard of Computrace? It comes pre-installed on the firmware of many popular brands of computers, and it does send data over WiFi or Ethernet.
    - dhzhzjsbevs 4y ago
      Because we're talking about freedoms and hardware ownership here. I know there is lots of middle ground between coreboot, what windows does, what an iPhone does, and what a Samsung fridge does but my point is that it's really hard to judge wether you're just becoming an old man talking about the kids these days. If you can't understand why I'm poking fun at the Apple fan Bois, here's exactly why: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31558875 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31558875 Want to bitch and moan about Samsung smart fridges? Start closer to home. With your wallet and your yearly phone contract.
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
I fail to see the relevance One is learning new tech, the other is loosing your rights
- eddieroger 4y ago
  Primarily being Devil's advocate here, but where exactly was one granted the right to disconnect? All of these tools require you to accept a EULA to use them in the first place (to varying enforceability [1]), so you are opting in to their terms when you start using the device. If you want to opt out or disconnect, stop using it. Likewise, if they change terms, you have to be notified and can stop using it at that time. I don't think the system is great or fair, and it's definitely tipped in favor of the corporations, but the I also don't think it's fair to get mad at a refrigerator for working in a way you don't like after you made the informed decision to buy it. I don't want a wifi refrigerator, so I won't buy one, then I don't want to worry about what data it's collecting about me. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-user_license_agreement#Enforceability_of_EULAs_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-user_license_agreement#Enf...
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- dhzhzjsbevs 4y ago
  You're over indexing. s/learn/adapt
- IAmGraydon 4y ago
  They’re the same thing seen from different perspectives.
rollcat 4y ago
Then your bet would've been lost. My father has been building custom alarm systems in the early 90s, before going fulltime IT. It was hard to get half a step ahead of him in tech news, even for a minute ;) When exactly did this smart device thing turn bad? Maybe it's been bad all along? I refused to use a smartphone until 2014 or so. My first Android got Cyanogen within about a month. When I shopped for my first Roomba (recently RIP), I specifically avoided the WiFi models. Nowadays the "smart" devices are almost unavoidable, so on my LAN, each one gets its own set of firewall rules (usually to block them from the Internet completely). If it can't work that way - it gets returned. I've also set up a host-based blocklist for ads/trackers, for the entire LAN. It should not be this hard to protect your privacy, but the current trend is to make this impossible even for the power users. Right to Disconnect should be a thing.

This has nothing to do with "kids these days", and everything to do with redefining ownership. When these backhaul comms go in this hardware, that "purchase" doesn't convey ownership. I would describe it as a rental in ownership's clothing. It's not about 'learn the new tech' - it's 'learn when the company decides you don't need a feature or just decides to no longer support it' and remotely disables

dhzhzjsbevs 4y ago
- BenjiWiebe 4y ago
  Why coreboot? Is it pretty common to have laptop/desktop firmware send usage data over WiFi or Ethernet? I'd be impressed. The firmware on my devices anyways seems to be the minimum they could get away with...
  - cesarb 4y ago
    > Is it pretty common to have laptop/desktop firmware send usage data over WiFi or Ethernet? Have you heard of Computrace? It comes pre-installed on the firmware of many popular brands of computers, and it does send data over WiFi or Ethernet.
  - dhzhzjsbevs 4y ago
    Because we're talking about freedoms and hardware ownership here. I know there is lots of middle ground between coreboot, what windows does, what an iPhone does, and what a Samsung fridge does but my point is that it's really hard to judge wether you're just becoming an old man talking about the kids these days. If you can't understand why I'm poking fun at the Apple fan Bois, here's exactly why: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31558875 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31558875 Want to bitch and moan about Samsung smart fridges? Start closer to home. With your wallet and your yearly phone contract.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

I fail to see the relevance One is learning new tech, the other is loosing your rights

eddieroger 4y ago
Primarily being Devil's advocate here, but where exactly was one granted the right to disconnect? All of these tools require you to accept a EULA to use them in the first place (to varying enforceability [1]), so you are opting in to their terms when you start using the device. If you want to opt out or disconnect, stop using it. Likewise, if they change terms, you have to be notified and can stop using it at that time. I don't think the system is great or fair, and it's definitely tipped in favor of the corporations, but the I also don't think it's fair to get mad at a refrigerator for working in a way you don't like after you made the informed decision to buy it. I don't want a wifi refrigerator, so I won't buy one, then I don't want to worry about what data it's collecting about me. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-user_license_agreement#Enforceability_of_EULAs_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-user_license_agreement#Enf...
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dhzhzjsbevs 4y ago
You're over indexing. s/learn/adapt
IAmGraydon 4y ago
They’re the same thing seen from different perspectives.

rollcat 4y ago

Then your bet would've been lost. My father has been building custom alarm systems in the early 90s, before going fulltime IT. It was hard to get half a step ahead of him in tech news, even for a minute ;) When exactly did this smart device thing turn bad? Maybe it's been bad all along? I refused to use a smartphone until 2014 or so. My first Android got Cyanogen within about a month. When I shopped for my first Roomba (recently RIP), I specifically avoided the WiFi models. Nowadays the "smart" devices are almost unavoidable, so on my LAN, each one gets its own set of firewall rules (usually to block them from the Internet completely). If it can't work that way - it gets returned. I've also set up a host-based blocklist for ads/trackers, for the entire LAN. It should not be this hard to protect your privacy, but the current trend is to make this impossible even for the power users. Right to Disconnect should be a thing.