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The Chinese government at least is not in disguise about their surveillance plans whereas we see it sneaked in into more and more appliances of daily use. I ha

The Chinese government at least is not in disguise about their surveillance plans whereas we see it sneaked in into more and more appliances of daily use. I hate this coming Orwellian future.

Cthulhu_ 4y ago
Eh? The EU directives are all above board and documented, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. That said, they do need to be monitored at all time; abusing that location data for different usage is only one piece of legislation away. Which is why it's probably best to not gather this information in the first place. To invoke Godwin's Law, iirc you are no longer required to fill in your religion anywhere, because the nazi's used records like that to track down Jewish people and others they were after. This is why these privacy laws are so important, and why the right to be forgotten should be sacred; you should be able to disappear if the governments turn against you.
- jhoechtl 4y ago
  You read or interpret this wrong. The EU government might be acting in good intention and I acknowledge that. Yet consumer electronics has the means to collect data for profiling like crazy. EU government data privacy acts are weak measures compared to liberal company laws with their seats outside the EU jurisdiction. Freemium will nudge far to many people to give away their data. An GDPR relevancy outside the EU is just a paper promise.
  - Gare 4y ago
    How would you sell a fridge or a car in the EU if you're not compliant?
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  If you wait for the government to turn against you to attempt to "disappear" it already to late. The right to be forgotten is the wrong place to push for privacy, it should be the "right to never be known". As to the "EU directives are all above board and documented" you know what they say about the road to hell, and good intentions right?
  - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
    The right to never be known, in the sense in which I think you must mean it here, is fairly simple to obtain. Stay off the internet and stay off cell networks. Oh, you mean you want to be able to have your devices send requests to other people's devices and have them respond, but at the same time, you want there to be no record that your device ever did this? Good luck with that.

The Chinese government at least is not in disguise about their surveillance plans whereas we see it sneaked in into more and more appliances of daily use. I hate this coming Orwellian future.

Cthulhu_ 4y ago

Eh? The EU directives are all above board and documented, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. That said, they do need to be monitored at all time; abusing that location data for different usage is only one piece of legislation away. Which is why it's probably best to not gather this information in the first place. To invoke Godwin's Law, iirc you are no longer required to fill in your religion anywhere, because the nazi's used records like that to track down Jewish people and others they were after. This is why these privacy laws are so important, and why the right to be forgotten should be sacred; you should be able to disappear if the governments turn against you.

jhoechtl 4y ago
You read or interpret this wrong. The EU government might be acting in good intention and I acknowledge that. Yet consumer electronics has the means to collect data for profiling like crazy. EU government data privacy acts are weak measures compared to liberal company laws with their seats outside the EU jurisdiction. Freemium will nudge far to many people to give away their data. An GDPR relevancy outside the EU is just a paper promise.
- Gare 4y ago
  How would you sell a fridge or a car in the EU if you're not compliant?
phpisthebest 4y ago
If you wait for the government to turn against you to attempt to "disappear" it already to late. The right to be forgotten is the wrong place to push for privacy, it should be the "right to never be known". As to the "EU directives are all above board and documented" you know what they say about the road to hell, and good intentions right?
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  The right to never be known, in the sense in which I think you must mean it here, is fairly simple to obtain. Stay off the internet and stay off cell networks. Oh, you mean you want to be able to have your devices send requests to other people's devices and have them respond, but at the same time, you want there to be no record that your device ever did this? Good luck with that.