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Do you have a real-world example ? I'm talking about a country that actively deployed solar-panels and wind turbines, not the few ones that can claim to be "100

Do you have a real-world example ? I'm talking about a country that actively deployed solar-panels and wind turbines, not the few ones that can claim to be "100% renewable" because they have plenty of hydro power.

cycomanic 4y ago
Wind and solar have dropped 70%-90% in price over the last 10 years (and are projected to continue to fall), which made it so that they are _now_ cheaper than other sources. Electricity grid planning is on the order of a few decades and you are asking for a country that already converted their whole grid to electricity? Things don't move that fast, in particular with the strong corruption involved in keeping electricity generation in the hands of a few large monopolistic companies.
- edhelas 4y ago
  Ok so no real-world example... yet :) #RemindMeIn10Years
  - cycomanic 4y ago
    Ok challenge for you, show me a real-world example of a fully commissioned long-term nuclear waste storage or a nuclear power plant that could be build on budget and within 5 years time and produce electricity at prices competitive with renewables when factoring in decommisioning and waste storage.
    - pigeonhole123 4y ago
      What are we currently doing with the waste from the hundreds of currently operational reactors? I'm assuming you mean price per kWh, compared with wind/solar and the necessary storage? What is the current price of renewables plus storage?
      - cycomanic 4y ago
        > What are we currently doing with the waste from the hundreds of currently operational reactors? They are put into temporary storage (viable for 10-50 years), that's not long term storage. > I'm assuming you mean price per kWh, compared with wind/solar and the necessary storage? What is the current price of renewables plus storage? You cannot operate a grid on nuclear only so why include storage for renewables? Edit: supplied time frame for temporary storage
        pigeonhole123 4y ago
        Because wind and solar are much more unreliable than nuclear so it needs storage to smooth out the demand.

cycomanic 4y ago

Wind and solar have dropped 70%-90% in price over the last 10 years (and are projected to continue to fall), which made it so that they are _now_ cheaper than other sources. Electricity grid planning is on the order of a few decades and you are asking for a country that already converted their whole grid to electricity? Things don't move that fast, in particular with the strong corruption involved in keeping electricity generation in the hands of a few large monopolistic companies.

edhelas 4y ago
Ok so no real-world example... yet :) #RemindMeIn10Years
- cycomanic 4y ago
  Ok challenge for you, show me a real-world example of a fully commissioned long-term nuclear waste storage or a nuclear power plant that could be build on budget and within 5 years time and produce electricity at prices competitive with renewables when factoring in decommisioning and waste storage.
  - pigeonhole123 4y ago
    What are we currently doing with the waste from the hundreds of currently operational reactors? I'm assuming you mean price per kWh, compared with wind/solar and the necessary storage? What is the current price of renewables plus storage?
    - cycomanic 4y ago
      > What are we currently doing with the waste from the hundreds of currently operational reactors? They are put into temporary storage (viable for 10-50 years), that's not long term storage. > I'm assuming you mean price per kWh, compared with wind/solar and the necessary storage? What is the current price of renewables plus storage? You cannot operate a grid on nuclear only so why include storage for renewables? Edit: supplied time frame for temporary storage
      - pigeonhole123 4y ago
        Because wind and solar are much more unreliable than nuclear so it needs storage to smooth out the demand.