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So...when some place has a low, you're going to take that has proof against global warming? Of course not. This article isn't about temperatures distributed o

by LanceH 4y ago

So...when some place has a low, you're going to take that has proof against global warming? Of course not. This article isn't about temperatures distributed over time or the globe. It's about one state over one month. That is cherry picking data and doesn't support global warming any more than one place is cold disproves it. I'm saying to take global warming out of the popularity/anecdote contest, even when popularity and single points of data support it. But I see that people would rather play the popularity game by down voting me. They would also prefer to cherry pick data. Both of these backfire when someone else has enough votes or gets to pick the data. Nothing I've written has been against climate change. It's merely against the, "See it's hot! Climate Change!" style argument which I believe does more harm than good.

titzer 4y ago
> Nothing I've written has been against climate change. It's merely against the, "See it's hot! Climate Change!" style argument which I believe does more harm than good. > They would also prefer to cherry pick data. Stop crying "cherry picking". The 10 hottest years on record for the entire planet have all been in the 21st century. The avalanche of record-breaking heat incidents is overwhelming. If anything, the public needs to have its brains positively bashed in 24/7 with this before attitudes shift. It's like, hey, on average, Dutch people are the tallest people in Europe. And then someone jumps in and says, "Yeah I knew a Dutch guy once, he was really tall!" and then you jump on them for cherry picking. Completely missed the point. I don't know why you jumped in hot for an argument. Despite what you might think you are arguing, holding the line for truth or whatever, you're just creating doubt and muddying the waters, shifting the narrative away, propping up the holdouts, and sometimes, deniers. Regardless, there are several misconceptions in what you posted, thus my comment to straighten things out a little. I generally don't want to invest a huge amount of effort into long arguments on HN, so sometimes I downvote, too. Maybe your comment didn't really...sound right, and got downvoted? It happens to everyone.
- LanceH 4y ago
  > Stop crying "cherry picking". The 10 hottest years on record for the entire planet have all been in the 21st century. The avalanche of record-breaking heat incidents is overwhelming. If anything, the public needs to have its brains positively bashed in 24/7 with this before attitudes shift. This article is about one month in one state. Your metaphor is entirely wrong. > Stop crying > I don't know why you jumped in hot for an argument. Don't tell me my state of mind. > Despite what you might think you are arguing, holding the line for truth or whatever, you're just creating doubt and muddying the waters, shifting the narrative away, propping up the holdouts, and sometimes, deniers. I'm not propping up the deniers. I'm denying them the argument of, "it's a cold month in Georgia, climate change is bogus." I have to deny that argument when it agrees with the theory of global warming. Ooh, I used the word "theory" -- it must mean it's not fact. I use the word theory as "theory of gravity" here. I'm not shifting a narrative away unless you mean everyone should toe the line and accept global warming as dogma and recite it blindly. The argument for that is just as strong as denying that.
- the_third_wave 4y ago
  > The 10 hottest years on record for the entire planet have all been in the 21st century. The 10 hottest years in the last ~century that is. Also, see my post on temperature extremes just below this one for some anecdata on which period in time was good for the most records (1920-1940). Going by the data that period was far warmer - and in some places also quite a bit colder - than it is now. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31557076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31557076 Also have a look at the Atlantic period (6500 BC-4000 BC, also referred to as "the Holocene climatic optimum") when talking about "the hottest years on record". Notice that the sea rose up to to 3 m above the present level after which it started to go down due to water being locked into glaciers again. The end of the climatic optimum lies somewhere around 2800 BC going by temperature decline or 2300 BC to 1100 BC (depending on where you look) as evidenced by elm-decline, the latter of which being disputed as to whether it was (and is, we are again in a period of elm-decline) the result of temperature decline or human activity or a combination of these two factors.

by LanceH 4y ago

titzer 4y ago

> Nothing I've written has been against climate change. It's merely against the, "See it's hot! Climate Change!" style argument which I believe does more harm than good. > They would also prefer to cherry pick data. Stop crying "cherry picking". The 10 hottest years on record for the entire planet have all been in the 21st century. The avalanche of record-breaking heat incidents is overwhelming. If anything, the public needs to have its brains positively bashed in 24/7 with this before attitudes shift. It's like, hey, on average, Dutch people are the tallest people in Europe. And then someone jumps in and says, "Yeah I knew a Dutch guy once, he was really tall!" and then you jump on them for cherry picking. Completely missed the point. I don't know why you jumped in hot for an argument. Despite what you might think you are arguing, holding the line for truth or whatever, you're just creating doubt and muddying the waters, shifting the narrative away, propping up the holdouts, and sometimes, deniers. Regardless, there are several misconceptions in what you posted, thus my comment to straighten things out a little. I generally don't want to invest a huge amount of effort into long arguments on HN, so sometimes I downvote, too. Maybe your comment didn't really...sound right, and got downvoted? It happens to everyone.

LanceH 4y ago
> Stop crying "cherry picking". The 10 hottest years on record for the entire planet have all been in the 21st century. The avalanche of record-breaking heat incidents is overwhelming. If anything, the public needs to have its brains positively bashed in 24/7 with this before attitudes shift. This article is about one month in one state. Your metaphor is entirely wrong. > Stop crying > I don't know why you jumped in hot for an argument. Don't tell me my state of mind. > Despite what you might think you are arguing, holding the line for truth or whatever, you're just creating doubt and muddying the waters, shifting the narrative away, propping up the holdouts, and sometimes, deniers. I'm not propping up the deniers. I'm denying them the argument of, "it's a cold month in Georgia, climate change is bogus." I have to deny that argument when it agrees with the theory of global warming. Ooh, I used the word "theory" -- it must mean it's not fact. I use the word theory as "theory of gravity" here. I'm not shifting a narrative away unless you mean everyone should toe the line and accept global warming as dogma and recite it blindly. The argument for that is just as strong as denying that.
the_third_wave 4y ago
> The 10 hottest years on record for the entire planet have all been in the 21st century. The 10 hottest years in the last ~century that is. Also, see my post on temperature extremes just below this one for some anecdata on which period in time was good for the most records (1920-1940). Going by the data that period was far warmer - and in some places also quite a bit colder - than it is now. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31557076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31557076 Also have a look at the Atlantic period (6500 BC-4000 BC, also referred to as "the Holocene climatic optimum") when talking about "the hottest years on record". Notice that the sea rose up to to 3 m above the present level after which it started to go down due to water being locked into glaciers again. The end of the climatic optimum lies somewhere around 2800 BC going by temperature decline or 2300 BC to 1100 BC (depending on where you look) as evidenced by elm-decline, the latter of which being disputed as to whether it was (and is, we are again in a period of elm-decline) the result of temperature decline or human activity or a combination of these two factors.