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by aaronbrethorst 4y ago

alexforster 4y ago
CBS Austin is a Sinclair affiliate.
- aaronbrethorst 4y ago
  I'm not saying I'm surprised. I'm just noting the, uh, lack of a full picture of what might be behind the "hottest May in history." Also, for anyone who's not familiar with Sinclair, they're essentially the Fox News of local news broadcasts. https://www.vox.com/2018/4/3/17180020/sinclair-broadcast-group-conservative-trump-david-smith-local-news-tv-affiliate https://www.vox.com/2018/4/3/17180020/sinclair-broadcast-gro...
  - cryptoz 4y ago
    This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. (in case someone missed this, it's incredible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZggCipbiHwE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZggCipbiHwE)
shard972 4y ago
LanceH 4y ago
And, once again, screaming "climate change" when there is a high begets "counter arguments" when it's cooler. Not every article with a hot point of data is proof and shouldn't be treated as such. To be very clear before the knee jerk downvoting occurs, climate change is very real and needs to be addressed, scientifically. Don't bail on the mountains of science to make points in a small article about a regional high over a limited time.
- titzer 4y ago
  Temperatures, particularly high temperatures, have a distribution. If enough contributing factors were independent, the high temp would follow a normal distribution, and new records would decrease in frequency over time. This isn't what we are seeing. Records are being broken faster than ever; outliers are increasing. So is the average. Turns out, yeah, it is climate change. The whole distribution is shifting over.
  - LanceH 4y ago
    So...when some place has a low, you're going to take that has proof against global warming? Of course not. This article isn't about temperatures distributed over time or the globe. It's about one state over one month. That is cherry picking data and doesn't support global warming any more than one place is cold disproves it. I'm saying to take global warming out of the popularity/anecdote contest, even when popularity and single points of data support it. But I see that people would rather play the popularity game by down voting me. They would also prefer to cherry pick data. Both of these backfire when someone else has enough votes or gets to pick the data. Nothing I've written has been against climate change. It's merely against the, "See it's hot! Climate Change!" style argument which I believe does more harm than good.
    - titzer 4y ago
      > Nothing I've written has been against climate change. It's merely against the, "See it's hot! Climate Change!" style argument which I believe does more harm than good. > They would also prefer to cherry pick data. Stop crying "cherry picking". The 10 hottest years on record for the entire planet have all been in the 21st century. The avalanche of record-breaking heat incidents is overwhelming. If anything, the public needs to have its brains positively bashed in 24/7 with this before attitudes shift. It's like, hey, on average, Dutch people are the tallest people in Europe. And then someone jumps in and says, "Yeah I knew a Dutch guy once, he was really tall!" and then you jump on them for cherry picking. Completely missed the point. I don't know why you jumped in hot for an argument. Despite what you might think you are arguing, holding the line for truth or whatever, you're just creating doubt and muddying the waters, shifting the narrative away, propping up the holdouts, and sometimes, deniers. Regardless, there are several misconceptions in what you posted, thus my comment to straighten things out a little. I generally don't want to invest a huge amount of effort into long arguments on HN, so sometimes I downvote, too. Maybe your comment didn't really...sound right, and got downvoted? It happens to everyone.
- bobbylarrybobby 4y ago
  It's not just about heat! The thing that's emblematic of climate change is not any one extreme — not that it's A's hottest X, B's coldest Y, C's wettest Z — but rather that it's all of these extremes simultaneously, and that they're all more extreme than they were in the past. At the same time that A is having its hottest X, B is having its coldest Y, and C is having its wettest Z, and it's a heat record for A, a cold record for B, and a wetness record for C. Simultaneously breaking weather records in multiple places, regardless of which exact records are being broken, is a prediction and sign of climate change. It's not just about heat!

Cmd+F "Climate" "Not Found"

alexforster 4y ago

CBS Austin is a Sinclair affiliate.

aaronbrethorst 4y ago
I'm not saying I'm surprised. I'm just noting the, uh, lack of a full picture of what might be behind the "hottest May in history." Also, for anyone who's not familiar with Sinclair, they're essentially the Fox News of local news broadcasts. https://www.vox.com/2018/4/3/17180020/sinclair-broadcast-group-conservative-trump-david-smith-local-news-tv-affiliate https://www.vox.com/2018/4/3/17180020/sinclair-broadcast-gro...
- cryptoz 4y ago
  This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. (in case someone missed this, it's incredible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZggCipbiHwE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZggCipbiHwE)

shard972 4y ago

LanceH 4y ago

And, once again, screaming "climate change" when there is a high begets "counter arguments" when it's cooler. Not every article with a hot point of data is proof and shouldn't be treated as such. To be very clear before the knee jerk downvoting occurs, climate change is very real and needs to be addressed, scientifically. Don't bail on the mountains of science to make points in a small article about a regional high over a limited time.

titzer 4y ago
Temperatures, particularly high temperatures, have a distribution. If enough contributing factors were independent, the high temp would follow a normal distribution, and new records would decrease in frequency over time. This isn't what we are seeing. Records are being broken faster than ever; outliers are increasing. So is the average. Turns out, yeah, it is climate change. The whole distribution is shifting over.
- LanceH 4y ago
  So...when some place has a low, you're going to take that has proof against global warming? Of course not. This article isn't about temperatures distributed over time or the globe. It's about one state over one month. That is cherry picking data and doesn't support global warming any more than one place is cold disproves it. I'm saying to take global warming out of the popularity/anecdote contest, even when popularity and single points of data support it. But I see that people would rather play the popularity game by down voting me. They would also prefer to cherry pick data. Both of these backfire when someone else has enough votes or gets to pick the data. Nothing I've written has been against climate change. It's merely against the, "See it's hot! Climate Change!" style argument which I believe does more harm than good.
  - titzer 4y ago
    > Nothing I've written has been against climate change. It's merely against the, "See it's hot! Climate Change!" style argument which I believe does more harm than good. > They would also prefer to cherry pick data. Stop crying "cherry picking". The 10 hottest years on record for the entire planet have all been in the 21st century. The avalanche of record-breaking heat incidents is overwhelming. If anything, the public needs to have its brains positively bashed in 24/7 with this before attitudes shift. It's like, hey, on average, Dutch people are the tallest people in Europe. And then someone jumps in and says, "Yeah I knew a Dutch guy once, he was really tall!" and then you jump on them for cherry picking. Completely missed the point. I don't know why you jumped in hot for an argument. Despite what you might think you are arguing, holding the line for truth or whatever, you're just creating doubt and muddying the waters, shifting the narrative away, propping up the holdouts, and sometimes, deniers. Regardless, there are several misconceptions in what you posted, thus my comment to straighten things out a little. I generally don't want to invest a huge amount of effort into long arguments on HN, so sometimes I downvote, too. Maybe your comment didn't really...sound right, and got downvoted? It happens to everyone.
bobbylarrybobby 4y ago
It's not just about heat! The thing that's emblematic of climate change is not any one extreme — not that it's A's hottest X, B's coldest Y, C's wettest Z — but rather that it's all of these extremes simultaneously, and that they're all more extreme than they were in the past. At the same time that A is having its hottest X, B is having its coldest Y, and C is having its wettest Z, and it's a heat record for A, a cold record for B, and a wetness record for C. Simultaneously breaking weather records in multiple places, regardless of which exact records are being broken, is a prediction and sign of climate change. It's not just about heat!