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We have a first responsibility to our own people. Furthermore if we don't take care of them everyone else will just export their unsustainable configuration to

by usrn 4y ago

We have a first responsibility to our own people. Furthermore if we don't take care of them everyone else will just export their unsustainable configuration to us and everyone will starve.

guerrilla 4y ago
Our people are doing pretty well here in northern Europe. We've taken good care of them and of course we can always do better and I'm sure we will do so in the future. In the meantime, I think we should also help other people when we can afford to do so. I think it's cruel not to do so and I think it's in everyone's self-interest to promote the helping of others when we can afford to do so because we may some day need such help (because of war, plague, famine, climate change, economic crises, etc.) Promotion of such a norm is insurance.
- usrn 4y ago
  It's possible that these policies are a large part of why Northern Europe is doing so well. The best thing you can do for people in other countries is help them clean up their own countries. People keep calling it colonialism though.
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    It's not possible. 1/11th of our population in Sweden has an immigrant background and we have a far higher standard of living than most of the planet, including the US. > The best thing you can do for people in other countries is help them clean up their own countries What do you live in hole or something? They're coming because they cannot survive in their own countries due to war, genocide, famine and other very serious problems that cannot be solved anytime soon. Get real.
    - usrn 4y ago
      The majority of those immigrants are likely from other European countries with similar cultures and backgrounds. If you take in too many immigrants you'll just destabilize Switzerland and then Everywhere has the same problem.
      - guerrilla 4y ago
        > The majority of those immigrants are likely from other European countries with similar cultures and backgrounds. Nope. Please stop guessing. Only 35.4% were born in Europe. It's no wonder you come to your terrible conclusions if you just make things up and don't bother to look up trivial facts. > If you take in too many immigrants you'll just destabilize Switzerland This is just racism. > Switzerland Why should anyone listen to your racism when you're confounding Sweden and Switzerland when it's written right in front of your face?
        usrn 4y ago
        >> If you take in too many immigrants you'll just destabilize Switzerland >This is just racism. It's not in fact, it's well known that if the immigration rate is too high (and this limit gets lower the more incompatible the cultures and people are) in any country you get political instability. >Confounding Sweden and Switzerland Sorry, I'm an American. Everything in Northern/Western Europe that isn't France, Britain, or Germany kind of blends together. It shouldn't matter anyway though right?
        guerrilla 4y ago
        > It's not in fact, it's well known that if the immigration rate is too high (and this limit gets lower the more incompatible the cultures and people are) in any country you get political instability. It really is because you're missing the part about where we all have massive immigration and don't have "political instability" (quite the opposite really.) Total first and second generation immigrants here are 25%. Every 16th person is a first generation immigrant originating from outside of Europe. We're still number 7 on the Human Development Index in the world (the US is at 18), and within the top 5 for standard of living. Our murder rate is 1.08, while yours is 4.96! What's this magical threshold that we need to pass in order to get the food riots? Where do you get these ideas? You're not going to change your mind even a little after what I'm telling you?
        usrn 4y ago

by usrn 4y ago

We have a first responsibility to our own people. Furthermore if we don't take care of them everyone else will just export their unsustainable configuration to us and everyone will starve.

guerrilla 4y ago

Our people are doing pretty well here in northern Europe. We've taken good care of them and of course we can always do better and I'm sure we will do so in the future. In the meantime, I think we should also help other people when we can afford to do so. I think it's cruel not to do so and I think it's in everyone's self-interest to promote the helping of others when we can afford to do so because we may some day need such help (because of war, plague, famine, climate change, economic crises, etc.) Promotion of such a norm is insurance.

usrn 4y ago
It's possible that these policies are a large part of why Northern Europe is doing so well. The best thing you can do for people in other countries is help them clean up their own countries. People keep calling it colonialism though.
- guerrilla 4y ago
  It's not possible. 1/11th of our population in Sweden has an immigrant background and we have a far higher standard of living than most of the planet, including the US. > The best thing you can do for people in other countries is help them clean up their own countries What do you live in hole or something? They're coming because they cannot survive in their own countries due to war, genocide, famine and other very serious problems that cannot be solved anytime soon. Get real.
  - usrn 4y ago
    The majority of those immigrants are likely from other European countries with similar cultures and backgrounds. If you take in too many immigrants you'll just destabilize Switzerland and then Everywhere has the same problem.
    - guerrilla 4y ago
      > The majority of those immigrants are likely from other European countries with similar cultures and backgrounds. Nope. Please stop guessing. Only 35.4% were born in Europe. It's no wonder you come to your terrible conclusions if you just make things up and don't bother to look up trivial facts. > If you take in too many immigrants you'll just destabilize Switzerland This is just racism. > Switzerland Why should anyone listen to your racism when you're confounding Sweden and Switzerland when it's written right in front of your face?
      - usrn 4y ago
        >> If you take in too many immigrants you'll just destabilize Switzerland >This is just racism. It's not in fact, it's well known that if the immigration rate is too high (and this limit gets lower the more incompatible the cultures and people are) in any country you get political instability. >Confounding Sweden and Switzerland Sorry, I'm an American. Everything in Northern/Western Europe that isn't France, Britain, or Germany kind of blends together. It shouldn't matter anyway though right?
        guerrilla 4y ago
        > It's not in fact, it's well known that if the immigration rate is too high (and this limit gets lower the more incompatible the cultures and people are) in any country you get political instability. It really is because you're missing the part about where we all have massive immigration and don't have "political instability" (quite the opposite really.) Total first and second generation immigrants here are 25%. Every 16th person is a first generation immigrant originating from outside of Europe. We're still number 7 on the Human Development Index in the world (the US is at 18), and within the top 5 for standard of living. Our murder rate is 1.08, while yours is 4.96! What's this magical threshold that we need to pass in order to get the food riots? Where do you get these ideas? You're not going to change your mind even a little after what I'm telling you?
        usrn 4y ago