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It's really not. Where and how the shootings were discussed is ancillary to whether they occurred at all. This doesn't happen regularly elsewhere. It's not Dis

It's really not. Where and how the shootings were discussed is ancillary to whether they occurred at all. This doesn't happen regularly elsewhere. It's not Discord. It's not 4Chan. It's not any other social network. It's the USA. It's the culture of America.

tablespoon 4y ago
> It's the USA. It's the culture of America. For your information, school attacks aren't exclusive to America, and can be quite a regular occurrence elsewhere, for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China > An attacker named Wu Huanming (吴环明), 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, Shaanxi on May 12, 2010;[8] early reports were removed from the internet in China, for fear that mass coverage of such violence could provoke copycat attacks. That's just an example, there are many more listed.
- dleslie 4y ago
  Based on your link, a country of a billion people hasn't had one yet this year, and had just one last year. The USA has had at least 22 this year. It's not comparable. It's not equivocal. It's not worth even considering if there's similarities. The USA is broken, it's broken unlike anywhere else, and it's a cultural problem.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > A country of a billion people hasn't had one yet this year, and had just one last year. Yeah, probably because they've taken sensible steps to control the media coverage around these kinds of crimes to prevent copycats. Also the wide and deep social media monitoring is probably quite helpful in preventing socially destructive communities like 4chan from forming and getting out of control. China has always had really strict gun control. If we really want to put a stop to these kinds of attacks, we really need to go all in to destroy the social contagion that's the root cause.
    - dleslie 4y ago
      You're willing to believe that China hides the true extent of its problem. I can't argue with you there, because such a conspiracy theory is not easily falsifiable. So compare America to other the liberal democracies in the G8. It will remain an aberration and horrific outlier.
      - tablespoon 4y ago
        > You're willing to believe that China hides the true extent of its problem. I can't argue with you there, because such a conspiracy theory is not easily falsifiable. Maybe. I was more thinking along the lines that they don't blast the idea that attacking a school is something you can do into everyone's faces. It's not very good situation that every susceptible person in America is very familiar with the idea that attacking a school is an option they have. Media safety is another thing we need to be talking about, so all effective actions can be taken to deal with this problem. This wall-to-wall publicity will likely cause more gruesome deaths, and probably already has. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mass-shootings-are-contagious/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mass-shootings-ar...: > The investigators applied a mathematical model and found that shootings that resulted in at least four deaths launched a period of contagion, marked by a heightened likelihood of more bloodshed, lasting an average of 13 days.
        dleslie 4y ago
        Well now you're barking up my tree! Yes, the media climate is just one part of America's cultural illness that leads to such horrific outcomes.
    - raxxorraxor 4y ago
      If you seriously believe that 4chan is in any way responsible here, you didn't think too hard about the causes. People with no place elsewhere might land there, perhaps it is even a pressure valve for people to rant to. But it is certainly not the source of these deeds. 4chan has a more international community than most comparable English speaking social media sites and yet these problems seem to concentrate in certain places.

tablespoon 4y ago

> It's the USA. It's the culture of America. For your information, school attacks aren't exclusive to America, and can be quite a regular occurrence elsewhere, for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China > An attacker named Wu Huanming (吴环明), 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, Shaanxi on May 12, 2010;[8] early reports were removed from the internet in China, for fear that mass coverage of such violence could provoke copycat attacks. That's just an example, there are many more listed.

dleslie 4y ago
Based on your link, a country of a billion people hasn't had one yet this year, and had just one last year. The USA has had at least 22 this year. It's not comparable. It's not equivocal. It's not worth even considering if there's similarities. The USA is broken, it's broken unlike anywhere else, and it's a cultural problem.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > A country of a billion people hasn't had one yet this year, and had just one last year. Yeah, probably because they've taken sensible steps to control the media coverage around these kinds of crimes to prevent copycats. Also the wide and deep social media monitoring is probably quite helpful in preventing socially destructive communities like 4chan from forming and getting out of control. China has always had really strict gun control. If we really want to put a stop to these kinds of attacks, we really need to go all in to destroy the social contagion that's the root cause.
  - dleslie 4y ago
    You're willing to believe that China hides the true extent of its problem. I can't argue with you there, because such a conspiracy theory is not easily falsifiable. So compare America to other the liberal democracies in the G8. It will remain an aberration and horrific outlier.
    - tablespoon 4y ago
      > You're willing to believe that China hides the true extent of its problem. I can't argue with you there, because such a conspiracy theory is not easily falsifiable. Maybe. I was more thinking along the lines that they don't blast the idea that attacking a school is something you can do into everyone's faces. It's not very good situation that every susceptible person in America is very familiar with the idea that attacking a school is an option they have. Media safety is another thing we need to be talking about, so all effective actions can be taken to deal with this problem. This wall-to-wall publicity will likely cause more gruesome deaths, and probably already has. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mass-shootings-are-contagious/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mass-shootings-ar...: > The investigators applied a mathematical model and found that shootings that resulted in at least four deaths launched a period of contagion, marked by a heightened likelihood of more bloodshed, lasting an average of 13 days.
      - dleslie 4y ago
        Well now you're barking up my tree! Yes, the media climate is just one part of America's cultural illness that leads to such horrific outcomes.
  - raxxorraxor 4y ago
    If you seriously believe that 4chan is in any way responsible here, you didn't think too hard about the causes. People with no place elsewhere might land there, perhaps it is even a pressure valve for people to rant to. But it is certainly not the source of these deeds. 4chan has a more international community than most comparable English speaking social media sites and yet these problems seem to concentrate in certain places.