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Warp is quite interesting, and seemed really promising and ahead of its time. Unfortunately, Hyperdex (which is the key-value store that implements it) has not

Warp is quite interesting, and seemed really promising and ahead of its time. Unfortunately, Hyperdex (which is the key-value store that implements it) has not been maintained for many years [1], and the website is dead. While the technology is impressive, the author seems to have lost interest, and moved on to working on something called Consus [2], which has also been abandoned (no activity 2018). Hyperdex never became popular, and a problem all along was that the author — a very talented developer, from what I can tell — seemed more invested in his projects from the perspective of academic research (he developed Hyperdex at Cornell, I believe) than in delivering a practical, living open source project. He tried to form a company around Hyperdex (the transactional Warp add-on was commercial) even though nobody seemed to be using it; and he was the sole developer. I actually submitted a PR at one point to fix a build problem, but the author was completely unresponsive; you can't really do open source that way. I think the Warp code was actually open sourced when the author realized they had failed to commercialize it, but I'm not sure; it's been a long time. [1] https://github.com/rescrv/HyperDex/issues/233 https://github.com/rescrv/HyperDex/issues/233 [2] https://github.com/rescrv/Consus https://github.com/rescrv/Consus

httpsterio 4y ago
I mean, why can't you? If it's actually openly licensed you're free to fork it and fix the bits you want and use what you need. The ability to allow contributors to conttibute code is a bonus of it being open source but even if it doesn't accept or merge pull requests, it's just as well imo.
- httpsterio 4y ago
  Can't edit, the "why can't you" was a reply to "you can't really do open source like that"
- atombender 4y ago
  Forks are expensive, socially, organizationally, and so on; especially for a project that has no mindshare to begin win. Forking a project just to fix a build problem is productive. Too many projects just dump the code onto Github with no attempt to create a community around it. Community participation is ultimately what makes or breaks an open source project. I'm not saying one has an obligation to the world to service pull requests, but if you release something and make zero effort to engage, then don't be surprised if your project dies. In this case, the codebase is also sufficiently complex/arcane that it's hard for anyone to just pick it up and evolve it meaningfully without any aid from the original author. Without knowing all the details of Hyperdex's internals, I do think that it might be a worthwhile thing for someone with sufficient time and interest to resurrect it, though.
- samsquire 4y ago
  You must know how difficult and complicated projects such as databases are. You need to be an invested person to casually read the sourcecode of postgres or random database project. I have some ideas on HTTPS://GitHub.com/samsquire/ideas4 of how I would cause programming to be easier to pick up and run with a piece of mature software. There is inevitably A LOT to learn to onboard yourself with a large codebase, it takes months or years to get familiar at work so it would take the same or longer for open source.
atombender 4y ago
Replying to myself that the author posted some information about their plans for Consus [1] back in 2016, with some commentary about how some people on HN were speculating about what exactly happened. Consus is also abandoned now, of course. [1] https://hack.systems/2016/12/29/why-consus/ https://hack.systems/2016/12/29/why-consus/

httpsterio 4y ago

I mean, why can't you? If it's actually openly licensed you're free to fork it and fix the bits you want and use what you need. The ability to allow contributors to conttibute code is a bonus of it being open source but even if it doesn't accept or merge pull requests, it's just as well imo.

httpsterio 4y ago
Can't edit, the "why can't you" was a reply to "you can't really do open source like that"
atombender 4y ago
Forks are expensive, socially, organizationally, and so on; especially for a project that has no mindshare to begin win. Forking a project just to fix a build problem is productive. Too many projects just dump the code onto Github with no attempt to create a community around it. Community participation is ultimately what makes or breaks an open source project. I'm not saying one has an obligation to the world to service pull requests, but if you release something and make zero effort to engage, then don't be surprised if your project dies. In this case, the codebase is also sufficiently complex/arcane that it's hard for anyone to just pick it up and evolve it meaningfully without any aid from the original author. Without knowing all the details of Hyperdex's internals, I do think that it might be a worthwhile thing for someone with sufficient time and interest to resurrect it, though.
samsquire 4y ago
You must know how difficult and complicated projects such as databases are. You need to be an invested person to casually read the sourcecode of postgres or random database project. I have some ideas on HTTPS://GitHub.com/samsquire/ideas4 of how I would cause programming to be easier to pick up and run with a piece of mature software. There is inevitably A LOT to learn to onboard yourself with a large codebase, it takes months or years to get familiar at work so it would take the same or longer for open source.

atombender 4y ago

Replying to myself that the author posted some information about their plans for Consus [1] back in 2016, with some commentary about how some people on HN were speculating about what exactly happened. Consus is also abandoned now, of course. [1] https://hack.systems/2016/12/29/why-consus/ https://hack.systems/2016/12/29/why-consus/