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Sorry, those people aren't enthusiasts. There are people that spend 8 hours a day in VR. Hell, there are a lot of people that fall asleep in VR.

by pharke 4y ago

Deritiod 4y ago
Huh? I only know one person who used bis VR set extensively like for 2-3 month and then falled back to play egoshooters. 'a lot of people' != Not market relevant
- pharke 4y ago
  That's cool but try jumping in to Pavlov or VRChat on a Friday night and then tell me there isn't a thriving community. It's not mainstream but it definitely isn't dead.
  - Deritiod 4y ago
    And how many active people can you find there in comparison to all apple iphone owner?
    - pharke 4y ago
      You're trying to compare Apples to Oranges here, VR is still pretty early on in its development. Like Motorola DynaTAC[0] early. The iPhone of VR is probably still 2 decades out. We're still figuring out our UI metaphors and trying to reach a critical mass of competent users where it's possible to just "call" someone up in VR without first asking if they have a headset, asking if they know how X app works, figure out where to meet etc. It's like trying to get someone to email you in the early 90s. Trying to compare this nascent technology to the iPhone is really disingenuous, there are probably a billion iPhone users worldwide. I'd struggle to count on one hand branded devices that have the same number of users. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_DynaTAC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_DynaTAC
puranjay 4y ago
Man, if it really was that amazing, you'd see it in the numbers. Facebook acquired Oculus in 2014. Its still a rounding error in terms of revenue in their annual reports. Personally, I just felt it was gimmicky - try it once or twice for curiosity's sake, then forget about it. Nothing on VR enthusiasts - I'm sure you have reasons to love it. But as a piece of tech, unless there are drastic improvements, I just don't see it gaining mass adoption.
- pharke 4y ago
  There have been steady improvements but it is still very early on in the development of the technology. Michael Abrash gave a talk at OC6[0] that centered around the idea that we are currently somewhere around the 1980s level when compared to the development of the PC. This is very much the beginning of the next major platform, comparatively few people have these systems and fewer still use them for more than just fun or basic utility. There is a fledgling social scene but it is still very underground to the point where most people have never heard of it. I'll fully admit there's a long way to go before it really breaks out but it's not going away. I'm diving into it now because it feels like this is the next wave and I'd rather ride it than just wait for it to wash over me. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YIGT13bdXw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YIGT13bdXw
  - puranjay 4y ago
    What would you recommend as the best first step to introduce someone to VR? I have an Oculus Quest but always felt that the hardware was insufficient. Would you recommend upgrading to a newer Oculus? And what would be your "safest" recommendation for a first VR game/experience?
    - pharke 4y ago
      If you already have an Oculus Quest you should try hooking it up to your PC using Airlink or the link cable first. This allows you to use it with Steam VR or the desktop Oculus apps. As long as your PC can handle VR, you'll get better graphics and access to more VR titles. If you use Airlink you'll still have a completely wireless headset, a trick to reducing latency and avoiding problems with traffic spikes on your network is to get a wifi card for your PC and set it up as a hotspot so you can connect your Quest directly to the PC without going through the router. Some good first time experiences for people are Space Pirate Trainer if they like shooters or I Expect You To Die if they're more of a puzzle game type and Beat Saber if they like rhythm games. These games don't involve thumbstick based movement so they probably won't make you feel sick. If you want something that's really chill and is just kind of pretty to look at and walk through then Walkabout Mini Golf is pretty good, it's not the most exciting game but it does have multiplayer and it's pretty relaxing to play a round and just admire the work they put into the courses. I've heard that setting up a fan so it's blowing on you while you're playing VR is a good way to prevent motion sickness. I don't really get very motion sick though so I haven't had to try it. Some very good games that will definitely make you motion sick are Pavlov and Bone Works. You will feel queasy after playing these for the first few times, have some Gravol on hand just in case. For better screen quality you can either use a Quest 2 or the Valve Index, you'll be tethered to the PC with the Index though which for me is a deal breaker.

Sorry, those people aren't enthusiasts. There are people that spend 8 hours a day in VR. Hell, there are a lot of people that fall asleep in VR.

by pharke 4y ago

Sorry, those people aren't enthusiasts. There are people that spend 8 hours a day in VR. Hell, there are a lot of people that fall asleep in VR.

Deritiod 4y ago

Huh? I only know one person who used bis VR set extensively like for 2-3 month and then falled back to play egoshooters. 'a lot of people' != Not market relevant

pharke 4y ago
That's cool but try jumping in to Pavlov or VRChat on a Friday night and then tell me there isn't a thriving community. It's not mainstream but it definitely isn't dead.
- Deritiod 4y ago
  And how many active people can you find there in comparison to all apple iphone owner?
  - pharke 4y ago
    You're trying to compare Apples to Oranges here, VR is still pretty early on in its development. Like Motorola DynaTAC[0] early. The iPhone of VR is probably still 2 decades out. We're still figuring out our UI metaphors and trying to reach a critical mass of competent users where it's possible to just "call" someone up in VR without first asking if they have a headset, asking if they know how X app works, figure out where to meet etc. It's like trying to get someone to email you in the early 90s. Trying to compare this nascent technology to the iPhone is really disingenuous, there are probably a billion iPhone users worldwide. I'd struggle to count on one hand branded devices that have the same number of users. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_DynaTAC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_DynaTAC

puranjay 4y ago

Man, if it really was that amazing, you'd see it in the numbers. Facebook acquired Oculus in 2014. Its still a rounding error in terms of revenue in their annual reports. Personally, I just felt it was gimmicky - try it once or twice for curiosity's sake, then forget about it. Nothing on VR enthusiasts - I'm sure you have reasons to love it. But as a piece of tech, unless there are drastic improvements, I just don't see it gaining mass adoption.

pharke 4y ago
There have been steady improvements but it is still very early on in the development of the technology. Michael Abrash gave a talk at OC6[0] that centered around the idea that we are currently somewhere around the 1980s level when compared to the development of the PC. This is very much the beginning of the next major platform, comparatively few people have these systems and fewer still use them for more than just fun or basic utility. There is a fledgling social scene but it is still very underground to the point where most people have never heard of it. I'll fully admit there's a long way to go before it really breaks out but it's not going away. I'm diving into it now because it feels like this is the next wave and I'd rather ride it than just wait for it to wash over me. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YIGT13bdXw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YIGT13bdXw
- puranjay 4y ago
  What would you recommend as the best first step to introduce someone to VR? I have an Oculus Quest but always felt that the hardware was insufficient. Would you recommend upgrading to a newer Oculus? And what would be your "safest" recommendation for a first VR game/experience?
  - pharke 4y ago
    If you already have an Oculus Quest you should try hooking it up to your PC using Airlink or the link cable first. This allows you to use it with Steam VR or the desktop Oculus apps. As long as your PC can handle VR, you'll get better graphics and access to more VR titles. If you use Airlink you'll still have a completely wireless headset, a trick to reducing latency and avoiding problems with traffic spikes on your network is to get a wifi card for your PC and set it up as a hotspot so you can connect your Quest directly to the PC without going through the router. Some good first time experiences for people are Space Pirate Trainer if they like shooters or I Expect You To Die if they're more of a puzzle game type and Beat Saber if they like rhythm games. These games don't involve thumbstick based movement so they probably won't make you feel sick. If you want something that's really chill and is just kind of pretty to look at and walk through then Walkabout Mini Golf is pretty good, it's not the most exciting game but it does have multiplayer and it's pretty relaxing to play a round and just admire the work they put into the courses. I've heard that setting up a fan so it's blowing on you while you're playing VR is a good way to prevent motion sickness. I don't really get very motion sick though so I haven't had to try it. Some very good games that will definitely make you motion sick are Pavlov and Bone Works. You will feel queasy after playing these for the first few times, have some Gravol on hand just in case. For better screen quality you can either use a Quest 2 or the Valve Index, you'll be tethered to the PC with the Index though which for me is a deal breaker.