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>Another issue is this: breaking some of these privacy laws both in force and proposed, is really quite easy to do - as easy as a misconfigured logger or a deve

>Another issue is this: breaking some of these privacy laws both in force and proposed, is really quite easy to do - as easy as a misconfigured logger or a developer including the wrong field in a query. So if I drive accidentally over the speed limit I should not get a ticket? That's a weird argument isn't it? Moreover, we are talking about companies with billions of revenue, they can afford to pay people to make sure things work. If you are worried about large incumbents using the laws as barriers (a weird argument, should we not protect people first, not companies?), just lobby for fines to be a fraction of revenue. Moreover, the behavior of the big companies in Europe shows that they have and continue to intentionally skirt and break the rules as much as possible until they get hit with fines. I really have very little empathy with Google, Meta et al.

ouid 4y ago
You should not get a ticket for accidentally driving over the speed limit (unless you are driving over every plausible speed limit), but a corporation should. This is not an arbitrary distinction, and equivocating as you have hurts your argument.
- the_cramer 4y ago
  You should absolutely get a ticket for accidently driving over the speed limit, as the company should too. Its about safety and awareness. If you are not paying attention to the road signs and/or your cars speed, who knows what else you are not aware of. Maybe a child crossing the road in front of you.
  - dwhit 4y ago
    Should you get a ticket for accidentally driving over the speed limit because your speedometer was broken? Should the company who made the speedometer get the ticket? What if the speedometer was broken due to a bug software the speedometer company bought? Should that company get the ticket?
    - hansvm 4y ago
      Not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure the burden is on the consumer in the USA to have their speedometer calibrated appropriately (10% error in the few states I've checked), and not doing so violates additional laws. Details could get complicated if you had proof that you did your part (OTA updates, can they prove you drove by a speed sign and should have known the speedometer was broken, ...), but you might be able to argue your innocence and might have a civil claim against one or more parties who touched your car.

ouid 4y ago

You should not get a ticket for accidentally driving over the speed limit (unless you are driving over every plausible speed limit), but a corporation should. This is not an arbitrary distinction, and equivocating as you have hurts your argument.

the_cramer 4y ago
You should absolutely get a ticket for accidently driving over the speed limit, as the company should too. Its about safety and awareness. If you are not paying attention to the road signs and/or your cars speed, who knows what else you are not aware of. Maybe a child crossing the road in front of you.
- dwhit 4y ago
  Should you get a ticket for accidentally driving over the speed limit because your speedometer was broken? Should the company who made the speedometer get the ticket? What if the speedometer was broken due to a bug software the speedometer company bought? Should that company get the ticket?
  - hansvm 4y ago
    Not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure the burden is on the consumer in the USA to have their speedometer calibrated appropriately (10% error in the few states I've checked), and not doing so violates additional laws. Details could get complicated if you had proof that you did your part (OTA updates, can they prove you drove by a speed sign and should have known the speedometer was broken, ...), but you might be able to argue your innocence and might have a civil claim against one or more parties who touched your car.