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we need to define what best means. 808 it's not a sampler. mpc have a way more possibilities for shaping a sound. I believe that these two devices should not b

by baflow 4y ago

we need to define what best means. 808 it's not a sampler. mpc have a way more possibilities for shaping a sound. I believe that these two devices should not be compared with each other because they serve completely different purposes

ls15 4y ago
> we need to define what best means. I think we also need to define what drum machine means. To me the MPC mainly is a drum sampler, while the 808 is an analog drum synthesizer. > mpc have a way more possibilities for shaping a sound. And yet the 808 can make sounds that the MPC cannot make.
- Sporktacular 4y ago
  Unless an MPC samples one.
  - throw_m239339 4y ago
    > Unless an MPC samples one. If I sample a Prophet 5, it doesn't make my sampler a prophet 5. A sample is like a photography. It clearly won't retain how the subtle variations of an analogue drum computer no matter how many pictures I takes. Now to be fair the latest MPC line (X/Live II/ One) do have a complete emulation of an analogue drum computer on board since version 2.9 I believe.
    - Sporktacular 4y ago
      "It clearly won't retain how the subtle variations of an analogue drum computer no matter how many pictures I takes." Yes it can, it's all just waves. Results will depend on your sampler, settings and audio signal chain. Now if it's just the analog vs digital (44.1k/16b) difference you're hearing then, to use your photography analogy, you're pixel peeping. Insignificant, especially in the final mix, especially on consumer reproduction gear. "Now to be fair the latest MPC line (X/Live II/ One) do have a complete emulation of an analogue drum computer on board since version 2.9 I believe." So which is it? Is it a complete emulation or does it clearly not retain the subtle variations of an analogue drum computer?
      - throw_m239339 4y ago
        > Yes it can, it's all just waves. No it cannot realistically because every single note made on the Prophet 5 is not exactly the same as the previous one due to the nature and complexity of analogue circuits. Add 2 VCO, 2 VCA , cross modulation and a VCF to the mix, your sampler will never behave exactly like a Prophet 5, no matter how many samples you make out of the original device. Even 2 prophet 5 from the same revision do not sound exactly the same.
        Sporktacular 4y ago
        Okay, the original topic was about drum machines vs samplers. In general though, while tracking and performing sure, samplers and synths are in different categories. But then there are sampling synths and emulators (though obviously not the MPC). But if it sounds like a Prophet 5 in a recording, it can sound like one in a sampler. And a sampler doesn't need to sound like every unique Prophet 5, just one.
  - ls15 4y ago
    Then it sounds like a sampled 808 ("boom") and not like a real 808 ("BOOOOOM")
    - Sporktacular 4y ago
      Then there is something wrong with your sampler and audio setup.
      - ls15 4y ago
        Can I get your 808 in exchange for a set of 808 samples? I am asking, because I spent hours, trying to make 808 samples sound like an 808.
        Sporktacular 4y ago
        Sold it long ago. What audio difference are you hearing? Can we agree both are a waveform, and a faithfully sampled waveform will sound the same as its original? If so, the loss of faithfulness must be from somewhere in the signal path, like poor circuitry in the sampler or variation in mixer input stages. Is the same difference audible on a recording or only live?

by baflow 4y ago

ls15 4y ago

> we need to define what best means. I think we also need to define what drum machine means. To me the MPC mainly is a drum sampler, while the 808 is an analog drum synthesizer. > mpc have a way more possibilities for shaping a sound. And yet the 808 can make sounds that the MPC cannot make.

Sporktacular 4y ago
Unless an MPC samples one.
- throw_m239339 4y ago
  > Unless an MPC samples one. If I sample a Prophet 5, it doesn't make my sampler a prophet 5. A sample is like a photography. It clearly won't retain how the subtle variations of an analogue drum computer no matter how many pictures I takes. Now to be fair the latest MPC line (X/Live II/ One) do have a complete emulation of an analogue drum computer on board since version 2.9 I believe.
  - Sporktacular 4y ago
    "It clearly won't retain how the subtle variations of an analogue drum computer no matter how many pictures I takes." Yes it can, it's all just waves. Results will depend on your sampler, settings and audio signal chain. Now if it's just the analog vs digital (44.1k/16b) difference you're hearing then, to use your photography analogy, you're pixel peeping. Insignificant, especially in the final mix, especially on consumer reproduction gear. "Now to be fair the latest MPC line (X/Live II/ One) do have a complete emulation of an analogue drum computer on board since version 2.9 I believe." So which is it? Is it a complete emulation or does it clearly not retain the subtle variations of an analogue drum computer?
    - throw_m239339 4y ago
      > Yes it can, it's all just waves. No it cannot realistically because every single note made on the Prophet 5 is not exactly the same as the previous one due to the nature and complexity of analogue circuits. Add 2 VCO, 2 VCA , cross modulation and a VCF to the mix, your sampler will never behave exactly like a Prophet 5, no matter how many samples you make out of the original device. Even 2 prophet 5 from the same revision do not sound exactly the same.
      - Sporktacular 4y ago
        Okay, the original topic was about drum machines vs samplers. In general though, while tracking and performing sure, samplers and synths are in different categories. But then there are sampling synths and emulators (though obviously not the MPC). But if it sounds like a Prophet 5 in a recording, it can sound like one in a sampler. And a sampler doesn't need to sound like every unique Prophet 5, just one.
- ls15 4y ago
  Then it sounds like a sampled 808 ("boom") and not like a real 808 ("BOOOOOM")
  - Sporktacular 4y ago
    Then there is something wrong with your sampler and audio setup.
    - ls15 4y ago
      Can I get your 808 in exchange for a set of 808 samples? I am asking, because I spent hours, trying to make 808 samples sound like an 808.
      - Sporktacular 4y ago
        Sold it long ago. What audio difference are you hearing? Can we agree both are a waveform, and a faithfully sampled waveform will sound the same as its original? If so, the loss of faithfulness must be from somewhere in the signal path, like poor circuitry in the sampler or variation in mixer input stages. Is the same difference audible on a recording or only live?