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This is first and foremost a subsidy scheme to give public transit providers some more money - many people will buy the 9 euro ticket which before did not buy m

This is first and foremost a subsidy scheme to give public transit providers some more money - many people will buy the 9 euro ticket which before did not buy monthly tickets - and for each such ticket, the state will give the public transit provider the difference to a full month ticket, up to 200 Euros. 1. The casual public transit rider will get one of these tickets: 9 Euros is like three rides on the Berlin subway ... they ride cheaper beginning with the fourth. 2. The commuter will save some money on the monthly ticket for three month. 3. Because of the media frenzy about these 9 Euro tickets, many non-users will buy it with plans to go sightseeing, as this ticket still is cheaper than most individual routes. Not all of them will actually use it. 4. Sylt (think 'the German version of Nantucket/Martha's Vineyard') will burn to the ground.

St_Alfonzo 4y ago
regarding number 4: for more information or to team up with other people, see the 'official' subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/sylt51/ https://www.reddit.com/r/sylt51/
blueflow 4y ago
Sylt ist fällich!
- realPubkey 4y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKmSLO6QNwg&ab_channel=Wobingz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKmSLO6QNwg&ab_channel=Wobin...
foepys 4y ago
> This is first and foremost a subsidy scheme to give public transit providers some more money - many people will buy the 9 euro ticket which before did not buy monthly tickets - and for each such ticket, the state will give the public transit provider the difference to a full month ticket, up to 200 Euros. Do you have a source for that? Considering that the federal government considers 2.5 billion Euro enough to cover the costs, this sounds false. As far as I'm informed the transport authorities will just get their current costs covered.
- DocTomoe 4y ago
  My source is from an internal (FDP) party newsletter I've read when the idea first was announced. I seem to have since deleted it... But to put that into context: with 2.5 billion Euros, you could finance 12.5 million such 200-euro-subsidies, or a ticket for three months for about 5% of the population, which I think is not too pessimistic - I'd wager that's about twice the number of people who have a net-wide ticket for their respective ÖPNV-Verbund today. The Länder of course consider that money too little and are trying to get more cash assigned, though.
ValentineC 4y ago
> 4. Sylt (think 'the German version of Nantucket/Martha's Vineyard') will burn to the ground. As a non-American, I'd appreciate some further elaboration.
- gpvos 4y ago
  The suggestion is that it will get overrun with more tourists than it can handle.
- DocTomoe 4y ago
  Sylt is considered "the holiday island for the uberrich". When the idea was first considered, their mayor carelessly spoke to the media that he feared the plebs coming to their island and do lower-class stuff, in short, getting on the nerves of 'regulars'. Which was the inspiration for Germany's youth to - very loudly - start planning the invasion of Sylt to drink cheap beer from tincans and do lower-class stuff. Add our liberal-democratic federal finance minister to the mix, who will get married on Sylt in mid-June, and you got a perfect storm. Something very similar happened in the 1990s, when the Bahn had a cheap ticket - back then, riot police was sent to Sylt to avoid lower-class tourists getting too annoying. This time, though, it's likely going to be a lot worse, because of things being more organized thanks to the internet.
- brazzy 4y ago
  It's an island that has been a high society hotspot for decades. Think celebrities and politicians sipping champagne in overpriced beachside restaurants. But even though it's an island, it's reachable by train via a dam, and the locals are worried about being overrun with day trip tourists, and the clebrities are worried about being crowded by poor people.
la_fayette 4y ago
Sylt is windy and cold also in summer, for a family holyday I woudn't recommend. Let's see how this turns out. The typical summer tourists go south...

St_Alfonzo 4y ago

regarding number 4: for more information or to team up with other people, see the 'official' subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/sylt51/ https://www.reddit.com/r/sylt51/

blueflow 4y ago

Sylt ist fällich!

realPubkey 4y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKmSLO6QNwg&ab_channel=Wobingz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKmSLO6QNwg&ab_channel=Wobin...

foepys 4y ago

> This is first and foremost a subsidy scheme to give public transit providers some more money - many people will buy the 9 euro ticket which before did not buy monthly tickets - and for each such ticket, the state will give the public transit provider the difference to a full month ticket, up to 200 Euros. Do you have a source for that? Considering that the federal government considers 2.5 billion Euro enough to cover the costs, this sounds false. As far as I'm informed the transport authorities will just get their current costs covered.

DocTomoe 4y ago
My source is from an internal (FDP) party newsletter I've read when the idea first was announced. I seem to have since deleted it... But to put that into context: with 2.5 billion Euros, you could finance 12.5 million such 200-euro-subsidies, or a ticket for three months for about 5% of the population, which I think is not too pessimistic - I'd wager that's about twice the number of people who have a net-wide ticket for their respective ÖPNV-Verbund today. The Länder of course consider that money too little and are trying to get more cash assigned, though.

ValentineC 4y ago

> 4. Sylt (think 'the German version of Nantucket/Martha's Vineyard') will burn to the ground. As a non-American, I'd appreciate some further elaboration.

gpvos 4y ago
The suggestion is that it will get overrun with more tourists than it can handle.
DocTomoe 4y ago
Sylt is considered "the holiday island for the uberrich". When the idea was first considered, their mayor carelessly spoke to the media that he feared the plebs coming to their island and do lower-class stuff, in short, getting on the nerves of 'regulars'. Which was the inspiration for Germany's youth to - very loudly - start planning the invasion of Sylt to drink cheap beer from tincans and do lower-class stuff. Add our liberal-democratic federal finance minister to the mix, who will get married on Sylt in mid-June, and you got a perfect storm. Something very similar happened in the 1990s, when the Bahn had a cheap ticket - back then, riot police was sent to Sylt to avoid lower-class tourists getting too annoying. This time, though, it's likely going to be a lot worse, because of things being more organized thanks to the internet.
brazzy 4y ago
It's an island that has been a high society hotspot for decades. Think celebrities and politicians sipping champagne in overpriced beachside restaurants. But even though it's an island, it's reachable by train via a dam, and the locals are worried about being overrun with day trip tourists, and the clebrities are worried about being crowded by poor people.

la_fayette 4y ago

Sylt is windy and cold also in summer, for a family holyday I woudn't recommend. Let's see how this turns out. The typical summer tourists go south...