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Considerably worse Consumer end up clicking accept all on every single webpage, after the equivalent of an attention grabbing popup, something we were happy to

by IMTDb 4y ago

Considerably worse Consumer end up clicking accept all on every single webpage, after the equivalent of an attention grabbing popup, something we were happy to see disappear when organisations ( and not governments ) decided to pretty much ban them from browser. What has improve my privacy: - Disabling third party cookies via a browser setting (than you Mozilla and Apple). I can understand why websites that I visit might put cookies on my computer. I am even Ok with them tracking me when I visit their websites, but I do not feel why the need to track me outside of their websites - Deprecating some api used for fingerprinting (thank you Mozilla and Apple). These API were not designed for those reasons, but where abused. What works here is technical expertise to maintain their general usefulness, while preventing the abuse. The various laws had close to 0 impact. - Apple private relay (thank you Apple), preventing even more tracking, again through *technical* means. Things that do not help : - Clicking a button on every single website I visit. I would love to be able to put a setting in my browser to tell what I feel is OK with regard to cookies, and have my browser handle those since cookies are managed by my browser anyway. But the law won't allow me to do that since consent must be "specific", meaning that I need to express my consent for every single domain I visit. Note that this makes private browsing almost unusable since I have to repeat "consent" again fr websites that I already visit quite often. This has *reduced* my global privacy. - Asking a website about my data. I did once for the lolz and never did it again. In my company, we get an average of one query every 3 month for thousands of daily users. But it justified some lawyer salary while we did a "project" out of it. So I guess it payed some suits guy a new BMW. As a citizen on the web, GDPR et al. have made my life worse, while Mozilla and Apple made mine better. As a professional, these law have directed a small part of my revenue to lawyers, but haven't changed a thing about what we were doing and how we were conduction our business. There are better use of taxpayer money.

stiray 4y ago
Yes but you must understand that most of users are incapable to do what you did. GDPR wasn't written for technical users but for all citizens of EU. By having banner they have at least possibility to reject tracking. Also there was a DNT header initiative. Simple and elegant, serer would get the header from browser and would stop tracking you. You wouldnt even see it. Did it work?
- scarface74 4y ago
  GDPR wasn’t written by technical users. Users are perfectly capable of installing ad blockers on their computers and Safari for iOS. There are no good methods to block cookie banners.
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
    There's also no good way to block data collection inherent in the service you are using. You can't use ublock to stop Google from saving everything you search for, or your location data. GDPR does allow you to stop that.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Did the cookie banner or the GDPR prevent that? It seems to me that Apple - a private company - had a lot more of a measurable effect than the government. Major companies like Facebook have explicitly said that Apple’s new policy had a material effect on their earnings.
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- IMTDb 4y ago
  > Yes but you must understand that most of users are incapable to do what you did. Third party browser disabling is now enabled by default in firefox and safari, so no operation needed. API used for fingerprinting alternations require no operation on my side. The only thing that require activation is private relay, which needs to be done once and is much simpler than all the legislation around GDPR, cookies etc. > Also there was a DNT header initiative. Did it work? It didn't because honouring it was a server side choice. Just like honouring the EU cookie law is a server side choice and doesn't really work either. If you don't want a cookie to be used to track you: don't send it.
  - stiray 4y ago
    Well, the DNT was great. But the server side didn't honor it. Anyway, if you are so annoyed by cookie banners, you can use this (and few others), works like a charm. Just a warning to website owners, this doesn't mean you got a valid consent from a user of this addon, and as you didn't, it means you cant track them or you are in violation of GDPR. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-about-cookies/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-a... It would be so much easier if DNT would be honored. Now we are having a law that penalizes the violation of PII (which is defined so broadly, that you cant workaround it - even unique id in a cookie signalizing you are rejecting cookies is PII; nice try, next time read GDPR before trying futile tactics) to the point where you need to take care what you are doing. And GDPR is just the beginning, it is only most widely known but currently 17 countries are having similar legalization and new are coming. Or maybe a more simple to understand: chlorofluorocarbons (and other ozone depleting substances) were a good business for decades. They were recognized as harmful to ozone and life in general and were forbidden to use. Some companies went bankrupt, some adapted, some were lobbying and complain for another decade. Today we no longer use/produce ODS or at least in minimal quantities. And the same will happen with user tracking.

by IMTDb 4y ago

stiray 4y ago

Yes but you must understand that most of users are incapable to do what you did. GDPR wasn't written for technical users but for all citizens of EU. By having banner they have at least possibility to reject tracking. Also there was a DNT header initiative. Simple and elegant, serer would get the header from browser and would stop tracking you. You wouldnt even see it. Did it work?

scarface74 4y ago
GDPR wasn’t written by technical users. Users are perfectly capable of installing ad blockers on their computers and Safari for iOS. There are no good methods to block cookie banners.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  There's also no good way to block data collection inherent in the service you are using. You can't use ublock to stop Google from saving everything you search for, or your location data. GDPR does allow you to stop that.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Did the cookie banner or the GDPR prevent that? It seems to me that Apple - a private company - had a lot more of a measurable effect than the government. Major companies like Facebook have explicitly said that Apple’s new policy had a material effect on their earnings.
- deleted 4y ago
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IMTDb 4y ago
> Yes but you must understand that most of users are incapable to do what you did. Third party browser disabling is now enabled by default in firefox and safari, so no operation needed. API used for fingerprinting alternations require no operation on my side. The only thing that require activation is private relay, which needs to be done once and is much simpler than all the legislation around GDPR, cookies etc. > Also there was a DNT header initiative. Did it work? It didn't because honouring it was a server side choice. Just like honouring the EU cookie law is a server side choice and doesn't really work either. If you don't want a cookie to be used to track you: don't send it.
- stiray 4y ago
  Well, the DNT was great. But the server side didn't honor it. Anyway, if you are so annoyed by cookie banners, you can use this (and few others), works like a charm. Just a warning to website owners, this doesn't mean you got a valid consent from a user of this addon, and as you didn't, it means you cant track them or you are in violation of GDPR. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-about-cookies/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-a... It would be so much easier if DNT would be honored. Now we are having a law that penalizes the violation of PII (which is defined so broadly, that you cant workaround it - even unique id in a cookie signalizing you are rejecting cookies is PII; nice try, next time read GDPR before trying futile tactics) to the point where you need to take care what you are doing. And GDPR is just the beginning, it is only most widely known but currently 17 countries are having similar legalization and new are coming. Or maybe a more simple to understand: chlorofluorocarbons (and other ozone depleting substances) were a good business for decades. They were recognized as harmful to ozone and life in general and were forbidden to use. Some companies went bankrupt, some adapted, some were lobbying and complain for another decade. Today we no longer use/produce ODS or at least in minimal quantities. And the same will happen with user tracking.