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The relatively poor average quality of healthcare was made apparent in covid pandemic where US had among the highest mortality rates and deaths per capita in th

The relatively poor average quality of healthcare was made apparent in covid pandemic where US had among the highest mortality rates and deaths per capita in the developed world [1] And I do not need data to tell me this, just overal experience comparing it to my previous experience getting healthcare in Europe leaves a lot to be desired. Getting medical care in US is hard with a lot of bureaucratic/insurance overhead and when you finally get to the doctor they are more prone to follow strict procedures/checklists to reduce liability instead of being genuinly curious about your condition. And all this while most have to pay astronomical price for healthcare out of their pocket. Not sure that the case for privatised healthcare can hold up with these results. [1] https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

jjeaff 4y ago
While your premise may not be wrong, I'm not so sure that COVID statistics can tell us much between countries. There are a great deal of countries that are either wholly inadequate, or purposefully misleading when it comes to their true COVID numbers. For example, India has an official COVID death count of around 500k. The WHO has made their own estimates and believe their death count to be closer to 5 million, ten times the official number.
- blipvert 4y ago
  Is the best response that you have is to say “We probably better than an underdeveloped country like India”? Talk about damned by faint praise …
- kwhitefoot 4y ago
  The thing to look at is the excess death rate.
  - dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
    Which does not seemed to changed. Of course the they did put a spin on it by saying that the flu and other diseases disappeared because of all the measures taken. Heads I win, tails you loose.
    - kwhitefoot 4y ago
      Are you implying that the excess death rate was zero? Or do you have a different definition than I do? The excess death rate is the difference between the current death rate and the rate expected by extrapolation from historical data. See, for instance: https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/08/05/the-real-covid-death-toll-which-country-in-europe-has-the-highest-excess-mortality-rate https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/08/05/the-real-covid-deat... https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220427/Excess-all-cause-deaths-during-the-COVID-pandemic-in-the-US.aspx https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220427/Excess-all-cause-...
      - dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
        If I recollect the excess death rate was actually negative in 2020 and slightly positive after that in 2021. In both years in my opinion, the numbers are statistically insignificant. But then I have a different opinion on what exactly is statistically 'significant' compared to most people. We are talking approximately 1% of the population dying each year and excess death rate being in the region of -+20% of this 1 percent. All above figures are approximate ball park figures from memory - so don't hold me accountable to the exact numbers.
        jjeaff 4y ago
        You are recalling incorrectly. India's death rate during the pandemic is between 3.5 and 4.7 million more than expected. The US has had around 1.2 million more deaths than expected. So something caused a huge increase in deaths. And it was obviously COVID.
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        dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
        Did you get the total deaths (not excess) from the links you posted? Edit - your numbers are seem correct but the question is, do consider them statistically significant? For me a jump from 2.6 million to 3.2 million is still tiny. Source: https://deadorkicking.com/death-statistics/us/per-year/ https://deadorkicking.com/death-statistics/us/per-year/
mlindner 4y ago
> The relatively poor average quality of healthcare was made apparent in covid pandemic where US had among the highest mortality rates and deaths per capita in the developed world This has nothing to do with healthcare quality.

jjeaff 4y ago

While your premise may not be wrong, I'm not so sure that COVID statistics can tell us much between countries. There are a great deal of countries that are either wholly inadequate, or purposefully misleading when it comes to their true COVID numbers. For example, India has an official COVID death count of around 500k. The WHO has made their own estimates and believe their death count to be closer to 5 million, ten times the official number.

blipvert 4y ago
Is the best response that you have is to say “We probably better than an underdeveloped country like India”? Talk about damned by faint praise …
kwhitefoot 4y ago
The thing to look at is the excess death rate.
- dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
  Which does not seemed to changed. Of course the they did put a spin on it by saying that the flu and other diseases disappeared because of all the measures taken. Heads I win, tails you loose.
  - kwhitefoot 4y ago
    Are you implying that the excess death rate was zero? Or do you have a different definition than I do? The excess death rate is the difference between the current death rate and the rate expected by extrapolation from historical data. See, for instance: https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/08/05/the-real-covid-death-toll-which-country-in-europe-has-the-highest-excess-mortality-rate https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/08/05/the-real-covid-deat... https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220427/Excess-all-cause-deaths-during-the-COVID-pandemic-in-the-US.aspx https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220427/Excess-all-cause-...
    - dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
      If I recollect the excess death rate was actually negative in 2020 and slightly positive after that in 2021. In both years in my opinion, the numbers are statistically insignificant. But then I have a different opinion on what exactly is statistically 'significant' compared to most people. We are talking approximately 1% of the population dying each year and excess death rate being in the region of -+20% of this 1 percent. All above figures are approximate ball park figures from memory - so don't hold me accountable to the exact numbers.
      - jjeaff 4y ago
        You are recalling incorrectly. India's death rate during the pandemic is between 3.5 and 4.7 million more than expected. The US has had around 1.2 million more deaths than expected. So something caused a huge increase in deaths. And it was obviously COVID.
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        dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
        Did you get the total deaths (not excess) from the links you posted? Edit - your numbers are seem correct but the question is, do consider them statistically significant? For me a jump from 2.6 million to 3.2 million is still tiny. Source: https://deadorkicking.com/death-statistics/us/per-year/ https://deadorkicking.com/death-statistics/us/per-year/

mlindner 4y ago

> The relatively poor average quality of healthcare was made apparent in covid pandemic where US had among the highest mortality rates and deaths per capita in the developed world This has nothing to do with healthcare quality.