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Yet another article where Apple gets recklessly tossed in and combined with the real bad actors in this field, even though the article then fails to cite even a

by Bud 4y ago

Yet another article where Apple gets recklessly tossed in and combined with the real bad actors in this field, even though the article then fails to cite even a single breach or privacy issue or anti-privacy stance taken by Apple. Worse, the article contains this complete lie: "All of the companies cited by The Markup – Amazon, Apple, Google, Meta, and Microsoft – have dominant or emerging online ad businesses, which rely heavily on data collection." Nope. Apple does not have an "dominant or emerging online ad business". Apple has no ad business at all, let alone one that "relies heavily on data collection". Is it too much to ask to have some professional editors vetting these articles before publishing?

Terretta 4y ago
> Apple has no ad business at all… https://searchads.apple.com/ https://searchads.apple.com/ Understanding the ways this is different from, say, Google Ads, AdRoll, or TowerData, is nuance beyond most journalists. Not that it’s hard to research. Consider: Apple Search Ads doesn’t buy or share users’ personal information with other companies. We don’t track people by linking user or device data collected from Apple apps with user or device data collected from third parties for advertising targeting or measurement. And we don’t share user or device data with data brokers. — https://searchads.apple.com/privacy https://searchads.apple.com/privacy Pro-tip to journos: the story is in what comes immediately after “which rely heavily on data collection”. Data is collected. Then where does it go?
- cycomanic 4y ago
  So that text doesn't say they are not using the data they collected for advertising targeting or measurement. They simply say they don't link the data with data collected from third parties for advertising. They are the only ad provider on iOS are they not? So the argument is, because they have a monopoly on their platform and don't share with anyone else they are vastly different? Or am I misunderstanding something?
  - Terretta 4y ago
    I'm not sure if you're misunderstanding something. Definitely seem to be missing something. I didn't ask what's being done with the data. I asked where it goes. Do you think there's equivalence between selling user data to a marketplace of 4,700 third parties, and an internal machine-learning-sized A/B test? https://themarkup.org/ask-the-markup/2021/09/02/what-does-it-actually-mean-when-a-company-says-we-do-not-sell-your-data https://themarkup.org/ask-the-markup/2021/09/02/what-does-it... Or put another way: > So the argument is, because they ... don't share with anyone else they are vastly different? Yes.
    - tqi 4y ago
      Are Apple ads not targeted? ie is their platform different than: > Even though companies like Facebook and Google aren’t directly selling your data, they are using it for targeted advertising, which creates plenty of opportunities for advertisers to pay and get your personal information in return.
passivate 4y ago
Also, FWIW Apple is no longer part of this lobbying group. And I'm no fan of Apple - they're a greedy anti-repair company. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/04/07/apple-leaves-privacy-trade-group-citing-weak-privacy-laws https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/04/07/apple-leaves-priv... But even otherwise, the links between the companies and legislation are weak to begin with (IMO). Its a lot of lazy connect-the-dots type reasoning that turns "may be" "could be" "seems like" into "must be" and "is".

by Bud 4y ago

Terretta 4y ago

> Apple has no ad business at all… https://searchads.apple.com/ https://searchads.apple.com/ Understanding the ways this is different from, say, Google Ads, AdRoll, or TowerData, is nuance beyond most journalists. Not that it’s hard to research. Consider: Apple Search Ads doesn’t buy or share users’ personal information with other companies. We don’t track people by linking user or device data collected from Apple apps with user or device data collected from third parties for advertising targeting or measurement. And we don’t share user or device data with data brokers. — https://searchads.apple.com/privacy https://searchads.apple.com/privacy Pro-tip to journos: the story is in what comes immediately after “which rely heavily on data collection”. Data is collected. Then where does it go?

cycomanic 4y ago
So that text doesn't say they are not using the data they collected for advertising targeting or measurement. They simply say they don't link the data with data collected from third parties for advertising. They are the only ad provider on iOS are they not? So the argument is, because they have a monopoly on their platform and don't share with anyone else they are vastly different? Or am I misunderstanding something?
- Terretta 4y ago
  I'm not sure if you're misunderstanding something. Definitely seem to be missing something. I didn't ask what's being done with the data. I asked where it goes. Do you think there's equivalence between selling user data to a marketplace of 4,700 third parties, and an internal machine-learning-sized A/B test? https://themarkup.org/ask-the-markup/2021/09/02/what-does-it-actually-mean-when-a-company-says-we-do-not-sell-your-data https://themarkup.org/ask-the-markup/2021/09/02/what-does-it... Or put another way: > So the argument is, because they ... don't share with anyone else they are vastly different? Yes.
  - tqi 4y ago
    Are Apple ads not targeted? ie is their platform different than: > Even though companies like Facebook and Google aren’t directly selling your data, they are using it for targeted advertising, which creates plenty of opportunities for advertisers to pay and get your personal information in return.

passivate 4y ago

Also, FWIW Apple is no longer part of this lobbying group. And I'm no fan of Apple - they're a greedy anti-repair company. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/04/07/apple-leaves-privacy-trade-group-citing-weak-privacy-laws https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/04/07/apple-leaves-priv... But even otherwise, the links between the companies and legislation are weak to begin with (IMO). Its a lot of lazy connect-the-dots type reasoning that turns "may be" "could be" "seems like" into "must be" and "is".