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Counterpoint: For many careers remote work deprives young workers of mentoring, relationship building, and learning by osmosis. This is already being seen at la

Counterpoint: For many careers remote work deprives young workers of mentoring, relationship building, and learning by osmosis. This is already being seen at law firms for example. So, enjoy your remote work - and for many professions it won't be an issue - but for some careers watch as your in-person colleagues advance faster, earn more & enjoy greater trust and responsibility.

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diffeomorphism 4y ago
On the other hand it might encourage companies to do these things "intentionally" instead of just "by osmosis".
- ozim 4y ago
  Some things you cannot teach by intentionally saying "do X" or writing down "code of conduct". To know when to talk or shut up in a meeting or read other people emotions to see that someone might be polite but is actually pissed off takes quite a lot of working together and a lot of meetings.
slothtrop 4y ago
I've been mentored remotely. I think the drawback to remote is far and away the lack of face-to-face interaction on the daily, and as you allude to this can build closer connections. The virtual substitutes are lackluster. However, some of us already have social needs met otherwise and don't put a premium on what is missed.
21723 4y ago
Counterpoint: For many careers remote work deprives young workers of mentoring, relationship building, and learning by osmosis. This is already being seen at law firms for example. If the bosses (the higher-ups, not the middle managers) don't like you, you're not going to get this anyway, and 99% of whether they decide they like you is based on preexisting social class similiarity. The pre-anointed winners with rich, connected daddies benefit from this--they're the ones who get tapped to be CEO's proteges--and they'll be just fine without going into an office. The rest of us, if we have to go to an office, are just wasting our time so someone else feels important, and that's really it. They don't see us as one of them, so they're not going to invest in our careers, so we have no reason to care beyond the minimum and having to pretend otherwise (that is, indulge and uphold bourgeois false consciousness) is emotional labor we're better off without having to do.
db48x 4y ago
I’ve worked remotely for 25 years, at a combination of companies and as an independent contractor. As an independent contractor of course I was responsible for learning things on my own. At some companies I’ve worked for, mentoring was always accidental; they never planned for it or deliberately tried to do it well. The results were pretty mixed. At others, they deliberately set out to train and mentor people well, even if they were remote. The results were much, much better, and people’s careers did not suffer merely because they were remote.

Counterpoint: For many careers remote work deprives young workers of mentoring, relationship building, and learning by osmosis. This is already being seen at law firms for example. So, enjoy your remote work - and for many professions it won't be an issue - but for some careers watch as your in-person colleagues advance faster, earn more & enjoy greater trust and responsibility.

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diffeomorphism 4y ago

On the other hand it might encourage companies to do these things "intentionally" instead of just "by osmosis".

ozim 4y ago
Some things you cannot teach by intentionally saying "do X" or writing down "code of conduct". To know when to talk or shut up in a meeting or read other people emotions to see that someone might be polite but is actually pissed off takes quite a lot of working together and a lot of meetings.

slothtrop 4y ago

I've been mentored remotely. I think the drawback to remote is far and away the lack of face-to-face interaction on the daily, and as you allude to this can build closer connections. The virtual substitutes are lackluster. However, some of us already have social needs met otherwise and don't put a premium on what is missed.

21723 4y ago

Counterpoint: For many careers remote work deprives young workers of mentoring, relationship building, and learning by osmosis. This is already being seen at law firms for example. If the bosses (the higher-ups, not the middle managers) don't like you, you're not going to get this anyway, and 99% of whether they decide they like you is based on preexisting social class similiarity. The pre-anointed winners with rich, connected daddies benefit from this--they're the ones who get tapped to be CEO's proteges--and they'll be just fine without going into an office. The rest of us, if we have to go to an office, are just wasting our time so someone else feels important, and that's really it. They don't see us as one of them, so they're not going to invest in our careers, so we have no reason to care beyond the minimum and having to pretend otherwise (that is, indulge and uphold bourgeois false consciousness) is emotional labor we're better off without having to do.

db48x 4y ago

I’ve worked remotely for 25 years, at a combination of companies and as an independent contractor. As an independent contractor of course I was responsible for learning things on my own. At some companies I’ve worked for, mentoring was always accidental; they never planned for it or deliberately tried to do it well. The results were pretty mixed. At others, they deliberately set out to train and mentor people well, even if they were remote. The results were much, much better, and people’s careers did not suffer merely because they were remote.