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Of all the areas of "consumer harm" online my point is for some reason THIS issue with Apple is the key issue they are going after. My guess is this is actually

Of all the areas of "consumer harm" online my point is for some reason THIS issue with Apple is the key issue they are going after. My guess is this is actually a "business harm" case - ie, scum bags like Match / Facebook with disrupted businesses now doing some kind of alliance to stir the pot and get action (the law is for the rich not the poor). This is after Apple showed up the DOJ with app store rules that frankly should apply everywhere (ease of cancelation / clear subscription terms) as well as tracking rules, payment method rule and login rules that allow for lots more actual privacy and more. Of the entire internet, with its endless horrors beyond Apple's control, the DOJ has decided to go after a small green patch that users trust. This is more an indictment of the DOJ than anything. Apple's phone market share is small, but the trust / spending on apple are crazy because it's one of the few places online that doesn't just screw you over. And hey, I've tried to report online fraud issues for businesses I worked with - it's a total joke. The DOJ gives two craps for even totally obvious scams. Then all the scam calls

spideymans 4y ago
Match Group has mentioned in their earnings how Apple’s restrictive polices are harming their earnings by making it easy for consumers to cancel subscriptions. Facebook has been screaming bloody murder over Apple’s regulations making it difficult for them to monetize user fare. These companies are not your friends, and don’t for a second believe that their push for more open regulations has anything to do with user “freedom”. These companies are only concerned about apple limiting their freedoms to prey on users. > Of the entire internet, with its endless horrors beyond Apple's control, the DOJ has decided to go after a small green patch that users trust. This is more an indictment of the DOJ than anything. Apple's phone market share is small, but the trust / spending on apple are crazy because it's one of the few places online that doesn't just screw you over. The fact that the most valuable consumers willingly lock themselves behind this walled garden, when there were and are plenty of open alternatives is a pretty glaring indictment of the state of the tech industry. Unfortunately predatory and user-hostile companies are the norm in our industry, and consumers have adjusted their spending habits accordingly.
- onphonenow 4y ago
  Yeah. Match used the love letter scammers to turn non-subscribers into subscribers. What they did was block the scammers from messaging paid accounts, but kept them on platform to generate likes and messages to nonpaid accounts even though they had been flagged as scammers. The free users had to upgrade to see the messages from these scammers. So it was very intentional. Match did something like 500,000 subscriptions from users within 24 hours of a user receiving a message from a scammer. Even better, if match DID delete the scammers profile, the user would pay to upgrade only to be told profile was unavailable, but no refunds were available. I loved the "free subscription" match offered - 6 months free! The fine print was that you had to have a fully public profile with a primary photo approved by match, had to upload that photo in seven days, had to message 5 users per month and could only get through the claim process in a 7 day window out of the 180 day free trial! So yeah, another ridiculous scam I could go on and on. The "consumer harm" by forcing match to play by Apple's rules is really "big business harm". And the folks on apple can afford to go elsewhere, these are not poor folks starving. Who has the time for the scams online - I got tired of spending time dealing with them (2 experiences I went to the mat on with plenty of resources). When I deleted an app recently on my iPhone apple REMINDED me to consider deleting a related subscription! That really does not happen in normal DoJ internet land. The irony of the DoJ claims that Apple is the big bad consumer harm player on the internet (which is PACKED with love letter, phishing, sex-storation and more scams most enabled and many easy preventable if companies wanted to) is kind of comical.
go_to_moon 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple

spideymans 4y ago

Match Group has mentioned in their earnings how Apple’s restrictive polices are harming their earnings by making it easy for consumers to cancel subscriptions. Facebook has been screaming bloody murder over Apple’s regulations making it difficult for them to monetize user fare. These companies are not your friends, and don’t for a second believe that their push for more open regulations has anything to do with user “freedom”. These companies are only concerned about apple limiting their freedoms to prey on users. > Of the entire internet, with its endless horrors beyond Apple's control, the DOJ has decided to go after a small green patch that users trust. This is more an indictment of the DOJ than anything. Apple's phone market share is small, but the trust / spending on apple are crazy because it's one of the few places online that doesn't just screw you over. The fact that the most valuable consumers willingly lock themselves behind this walled garden, when there were and are plenty of open alternatives is a pretty glaring indictment of the state of the tech industry. Unfortunately predatory and user-hostile companies are the norm in our industry, and consumers have adjusted their spending habits accordingly.

onphonenow 4y ago
Yeah. Match used the love letter scammers to turn non-subscribers into subscribers. What they did was block the scammers from messaging paid accounts, but kept them on platform to generate likes and messages to nonpaid accounts even though they had been flagged as scammers. The free users had to upgrade to see the messages from these scammers. So it was very intentional. Match did something like 500,000 subscriptions from users within 24 hours of a user receiving a message from a scammer. Even better, if match DID delete the scammers profile, the user would pay to upgrade only to be told profile was unavailable, but no refunds were available. I loved the "free subscription" match offered - 6 months free! The fine print was that you had to have a fully public profile with a primary photo approved by match, had to upload that photo in seven days, had to message 5 users per month and could only get through the claim process in a 7 day window out of the 180 day free trial! So yeah, another ridiculous scam I could go on and on. The "consumer harm" by forcing match to play by Apple's rules is really "big business harm". And the folks on apple can afford to go elsewhere, these are not poor folks starving. Who has the time for the scams online - I got tired of spending time dealing with them (2 experiences I went to the mat on with plenty of resources). When I deleted an app recently on my iPhone apple REMINDED me to consider deleting a related subscription! That really does not happen in normal DoJ internet land. The irony of the DoJ claims that Apple is the big bad consumer harm player on the internet (which is PACKED with love letter, phishing, sex-storation and more scams most enabled and many easy preventable if companies wanted to) is kind of comical.

go_to_moon 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple