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>> Did Washington's illegal invasions of Iraq, Libya, or Syria shock global energy and food markets, leading to global crises? Not a good comparison in terms o

>> Did Washington's illegal invasions of Iraq, Libya, or Syria shock global energy and food markets, leading to global crises? Not a good comparison in terms of food. Ukraine produces 6% of the world's wheat. Russia produces 17%. The former is unable to export its stockpiles due to the Black Sea blockade by the latter, and the latter is not going to be exporting what it produces because they recognize that they can use it as leverage.

thriftwy 4y ago
Russia and Ukraine got very little from being major food exporters. For Russia it meant that wheat profits are just a dent of oil&gas profits, and for Ukraine it meant perennial poverty and international aid seeking. Both were getting scolded for slacking economically. If both countries were to be compensated 'fairly' for the wheat, maybe there would be no war right now. Food prices may never 'recover' to those unsustainable levels.
- lotusmars 4y ago
  > If both countries were to be compensated 'fairly' for the wheat, maybe there would be no war right now. Wow. Now this is the Putin apologist take I've never heard before, and I've heard a lot of them watching Russian TV.
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    Ukraine has failed to become economically solvent - it did not even grow to 1991 levels. So it had to cling to somebody else and eventually it tore apart (in 2014)
    - lotusmars 4y ago
      Ukraine did not "tore apart" in 2014. Putin's army and mercenaries invaded its eastern regions, downed a passenger jet, weaponized criminal gangs, occupied cities and turned them into criminal neo-Stalinist enclaves with executions and torture. He did it to teach Ukrainians a lesson after they've overthrown a corrupt pro-Putin president who built himself outrageously lavish palaces with golden toilets and private zoos.[1] In the end Yanukovich blocked Ukraine's integration with EU which sparked mass protests. Yanukovich or FSB snipers opened fire on protesters and he fled the country to Russia on a private jet. [1] https://theworld.org/stories/2014-02-22/26-things-found-yanukovychs-compound-made-him-look-even-worse https://theworld.org/stories/2014-02-22/26-things-found-yanu...
      - thriftwy 4y ago
        Ukraine's eastern regions did not want to be a part of post-Euromaidan Ukraine, and one of the reasons is the poverty of Ukraine. It's not like Putin is holding crimeans at a gunpoint for 8 years.
pphysch 4y ago
Russia created humanitarian corridors for Ukraine to get wheat out. That 6% will be impacted either way, but is not going to 0%. Of course Iraq is not a major food exporter. You didn't explain why major global energy crises didn't start after Washington illegally invaded major producers. The bottom line: this is an economic crisis of Washington's designs.

thriftwy 4y ago

Russia and Ukraine got very little from being major food exporters. For Russia it meant that wheat profits are just a dent of oil&gas profits, and for Ukraine it meant perennial poverty and international aid seeking. Both were getting scolded for slacking economically. If both countries were to be compensated 'fairly' for the wheat, maybe there would be no war right now. Food prices may never 'recover' to those unsustainable levels.

lotusmars 4y ago
> If both countries were to be compensated 'fairly' for the wheat, maybe there would be no war right now. Wow. Now this is the Putin apologist take I've never heard before, and I've heard a lot of them watching Russian TV.
- thriftwy 4y ago
  Ukraine has failed to become economically solvent - it did not even grow to 1991 levels. So it had to cling to somebody else and eventually it tore apart (in 2014)
  - lotusmars 4y ago
    Ukraine did not "tore apart" in 2014. Putin's army and mercenaries invaded its eastern regions, downed a passenger jet, weaponized criminal gangs, occupied cities and turned them into criminal neo-Stalinist enclaves with executions and torture. He did it to teach Ukrainians a lesson after they've overthrown a corrupt pro-Putin president who built himself outrageously lavish palaces with golden toilets and private zoos.[1] In the end Yanukovich blocked Ukraine's integration with EU which sparked mass protests. Yanukovich or FSB snipers opened fire on protesters and he fled the country to Russia on a private jet. [1] https://theworld.org/stories/2014-02-22/26-things-found-yanukovychs-compound-made-him-look-even-worse https://theworld.org/stories/2014-02-22/26-things-found-yanu...
    - thriftwy 4y ago
      Ukraine's eastern regions did not want to be a part of post-Euromaidan Ukraine, and one of the reasons is the poverty of Ukraine. It's not like Putin is holding crimeans at a gunpoint for 8 years.

pphysch 4y ago

Russia created humanitarian corridors for Ukraine to get wheat out. That 6% will be impacted either way, but is not going to 0%. Of course Iraq is not a major food exporter. You didn't explain why major global energy crises didn't start after Washington illegally invaded major producers. The bottom line: this is an economic crisis of Washington's designs.