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LOL. The article says that to fix the issue we need some international efforts and blah blah blah. Bullshit. All we need is to sink down russian ships in Black

LOL. The article says that to fix the issue we need some international efforts and blah blah blah. Bullshit. All we need is to sink down russian ships in Black sea. Even better will be to help with the liberation of both Kherson and Crimea regions. Zaporizhzhya and Donbas can be liberated later, but Bastion rockets in Crimea endanger ports in Odesa and Yuzhne. This is the easiest way to provide food to emerging markets. By the way, there are chemical (fertilizer) plants in Ukraine. Today they are not working or occupied. One in Yuzhne is intact, but shut down temporarily. There's also Sumykhimprom plant in Sumy, that's right on the border with russia. The plant is intact, but I think it's not working as well due to war. If we chase russians off from Ukraine, food prices will return to normal.

guerrilla 4y ago
> All we need is to sink down russian ships in Black sea. Yeah, I'm sure nuclear war will be good for food pirces.
- tomjen3 4y ago
  - guerrilla 4y ago
- fractallyte 4y ago
  Nato could have marched in at the beginning, with the justification that Russian aggression in Ukraine was a security threat to Europe. Russians only respect strength. The situation could have been escalated much further without tipping over into nuclear exchange. Nato failed, and now we have a multitude of security issues.
  - kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
    NATO is a defense pact. It only acts when its members are attacked.
    - fractallyte 4y ago
      Good point! Then replace 'Nato' with 'Europe'. Sadly, Germany, Austria, and Hungary have forgotten just how bad Russians are. I wonder what the oldest generation (especially women) think of the current crisis.
- lotusmars 4y ago
  Putin will always push further by saying "cave in to my demands or I'll nuke you". Most of it is bluff. Which like any bluff is scary to call bluff. Russian army is in corrupt disarray and even tacticals nukes are not guranteed to work. He will probably be disobeyed by his staff. Speaking of ships, the flaghsip of Black Sea Fleet Moskva was sunk by Ukrainians. Putin was reportedly enraged but didn't do a thing besides all atrocities he's already doing. Russian media covered it up for domestic audience. They can sink all of them. He won't nuke anyone. He knows it's a bet on his system he can not afford.
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    > Most of it is bluff. You don't know that and I don't want to risk that. Don't be arrogant. Everyone said his buildup on Ukraine a bluff. It wasn't. I don't think we should ever trust people like you again. > Russian army is in corrupt disarray and even tacticals nukes are not guranteed to work. He will probably be disobeyed by his staff. Yet still winning... > Speaking of ships, the flaghsip of Black Sea Fleet Moskva was sunk by Ukrainians. Putin was reportedly enraged but didn't do a thing besides all atrocities he's already doing. Russian media covered it up for domestic audience. Ukraine doing that and the US doing that are drastically different. If you don't understand that then you're definitely not worth listening to on this.
    - lotusmars 4y ago
      > Yet still winning.. Because Germans do not provide weapons they've promised. In fact if they drag their feet more, war may change its course. > Ukraine doing that and the US doing that are drastically different Of course Ukrainians can do that if they're equipped with enough modern weapons and intelligence. The problem is stated above. Germans do not provide weapons, Biden is slow to push them. Additionally because of its energy and political dependence on Russia Germany is pushing Ukraine to surrender territory (along with wheat and ports) to Russia. We don't need direct US involvement, we need strong and decisive leadership.
      - guerrilla 4y ago
- redisman 4y ago
  There’s also submarines
- glogla 4y ago
  If that happens, so be it. But the Russians are bullies and cowards. They will not dare touch anything NATO. Also, the whole Black Sea Fleet is in hiding behind Crimea ever since Ukraine showed Neptune missiles work well, and got bunch of Harpoons to back it up.
  - gruez 4y ago
    > If that happens, so be it. Easy for you to say (presumably either because you're not in danger of getting nuked, or don't care about getting nuked), but I doubt most people hold that view.
ibejoeb 4y ago
Who is "we" in this context?
- lotusmars 4y ago
  Ukrainans equipped with modern weapons and intelligence. They already notoriously sank a Russian flagship. In reality though Germans drag their feet by not providing weapons they've already promised. Seems like Putin's policy of buying Schroder's and betting on German politicians pays off.
randomdata 4y ago
> If we chase russians off from Ukraine, food prices will return to normal. What's normal? As a farmer, I started seeing the price of my products go up abnormally in 2020. In fall of 2021 were we already starting to grow concerned about fertilizer availability. Russia hasn't helped matters, but things were already very strange before Russia was in the news.

guerrilla 4y ago

> All we need is to sink down russian ships in Black sea. Yeah, I'm sure nuclear war will be good for food pirces.

tomjen3 4y ago
- guerrilla 4y ago
fractallyte 4y ago
Nato could have marched in at the beginning, with the justification that Russian aggression in Ukraine was a security threat to Europe. Russians only respect strength. The situation could have been escalated much further without tipping over into nuclear exchange. Nato failed, and now we have a multitude of security issues.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
  NATO is a defense pact. It only acts when its members are attacked.
  - fractallyte 4y ago
    Good point! Then replace 'Nato' with 'Europe'. Sadly, Germany, Austria, and Hungary have forgotten just how bad Russians are. I wonder what the oldest generation (especially women) think of the current crisis.
lotusmars 4y ago
Putin will always push further by saying "cave in to my demands or I'll nuke you". Most of it is bluff. Which like any bluff is scary to call bluff. Russian army is in corrupt disarray and even tacticals nukes are not guranteed to work. He will probably be disobeyed by his staff. Speaking of ships, the flaghsip of Black Sea Fleet Moskva was sunk by Ukrainians. Putin was reportedly enraged but didn't do a thing besides all atrocities he's already doing. Russian media covered it up for domestic audience. They can sink all of them. He won't nuke anyone. He knows it's a bet on his system he can not afford.
- guerrilla 4y ago
  > Most of it is bluff. You don't know that and I don't want to risk that. Don't be arrogant. Everyone said his buildup on Ukraine a bluff. It wasn't. I don't think we should ever trust people like you again. > Russian army is in corrupt disarray and even tacticals nukes are not guranteed to work. He will probably be disobeyed by his staff. Yet still winning... > Speaking of ships, the flaghsip of Black Sea Fleet Moskva was sunk by Ukrainians. Putin was reportedly enraged but didn't do a thing besides all atrocities he's already doing. Russian media covered it up for domestic audience. Ukraine doing that and the US doing that are drastically different. If you don't understand that then you're definitely not worth listening to on this.
  - lotusmars 4y ago
    > Yet still winning.. Because Germans do not provide weapons they've promised. In fact if they drag their feet more, war may change its course. > Ukraine doing that and the US doing that are drastically different Of course Ukrainians can do that if they're equipped with enough modern weapons and intelligence. The problem is stated above. Germans do not provide weapons, Biden is slow to push them. Additionally because of its energy and political dependence on Russia Germany is pushing Ukraine to surrender territory (along with wheat and ports) to Russia. We don't need direct US involvement, we need strong and decisive leadership.
    - guerrilla 4y ago
redisman 4y ago
There’s also submarines
glogla 4y ago
If that happens, so be it. But the Russians are bullies and cowards. They will not dare touch anything NATO. Also, the whole Black Sea Fleet is in hiding behind Crimea ever since Ukraine showed Neptune missiles work well, and got bunch of Harpoons to back it up.
- gruez 4y ago
  > If that happens, so be it. Easy for you to say (presumably either because you're not in danger of getting nuked, or don't care about getting nuked), but I doubt most people hold that view.

ibejoeb 4y ago

Who is "we" in this context?

lotusmars 4y ago
Ukrainans equipped with modern weapons and intelligence. They already notoriously sank a Russian flagship. In reality though Germans drag their feet by not providing weapons they've already promised. Seems like Putin's policy of buying Schroder's and betting on German politicians pays off.

randomdata 4y ago

> If we chase russians off from Ukraine, food prices will return to normal. What's normal? As a farmer, I started seeing the price of my products go up abnormally in 2020. In fall of 2021 were we already starting to grow concerned about fertilizer availability. Russia hasn't helped matters, but things were already very strange before Russia was in the news.