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I think the takeaway here is that the NYT is just fundamentally _alarmed_ these days, by pretty much anything. Which...feels like a good read on liberalism in g

by Doches 4y ago

I think the takeaway here is that the NYT is just fundamentally _alarmed_ these days, by pretty much anything. Which...feels like a good read on liberalism in general for the last decade or so: it's all panic, all the time.

hodgesrm 4y ago
The NYT is now alarmed by things that happened in previous centuries as well. 1619 Project and the Haiti "Ranson" Project are examples. [0, 1] Not that the subjects are uninteresting, but journalists looking for a scoop don't seem to be the right people to do historical analysis of lasting value. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/23/world/haiti-france-ransom https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/23/world/haiti-france-r...
kmos17 4y ago
And fox news is not alarmed? have you seen their headlines or tucker carlson perma-outraged scowl? Journalism relies on shock, alarm and outrage to sell, got nothing to do with liberalism, at least ny times has some real ground breaking journalism in the middle of all the posturing and virtue signaling.
- Doches 4y ago
  > And fox news is not alarmed? I thought we were talking about journalism /s All I'm really complaining about in the GP is what seems to be a decline in the quality of the Gray Lady. Feels like we've completed a full-scale return to yellow journalism, regardless of political affiliation.
  - kmos17 4y ago
    :) unfortunately fox news is the primary news source for more people than the ny times. Yes I understand your argument and I think it’s wildly exaggerated, that the ny times’s supposed decline is itself biased distortion. Even the Haiti story you mention is actually quite good journalism, it is relevant to why that country is doing so poorly today. To me this is a story with relevance in the same way as one on looted jewish art during the war would be. Yes the focus on these stories has a political reasoning you may not agree with but to call it yellow journalism is pretty off the mark imo. Where I would be far more critical of the grey lady for example would be their reckless support of the invasion of Iraq for example.

by Doches 4y ago

hodgesrm 4y ago

The NYT is now alarmed by things that happened in previous centuries as well. 1619 Project and the Haiti "Ranson" Project are examples. [0, 1] Not that the subjects are uninteresting, but journalists looking for a scoop don't seem to be the right people to do historical analysis of lasting value. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/23/world/haiti-france-ransom https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/23/world/haiti-france-r...

kmos17 4y ago

And fox news is not alarmed? have you seen their headlines or tucker carlson perma-outraged scowl? Journalism relies on shock, alarm and outrage to sell, got nothing to do with liberalism, at least ny times has some real ground breaking journalism in the middle of all the posturing and virtue signaling.

Doches 4y ago
> And fox news is not alarmed? I thought we were talking about journalism /s All I'm really complaining about in the GP is what seems to be a decline in the quality of the Gray Lady. Feels like we've completed a full-scale return to yellow journalism, regardless of political affiliation.
- kmos17 4y ago
  :) unfortunately fox news is the primary news source for more people than the ny times. Yes I understand your argument and I think it’s wildly exaggerated, that the ny times’s supposed decline is itself biased distortion. Even the Haiti story you mention is actually quite good journalism, it is relevant to why that country is doing so poorly today. To me this is a story with relevance in the same way as one on looted jewish art during the war would be. Yes the focus on these stories has a political reasoning you may not agree with but to call it yellow journalism is pretty off the mark imo. Where I would be far more critical of the grey lady for example would be their reckless support of the invasion of Iraq for example.