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> Even if algorithmic moderation blocks some of your utterances, that doesn't mean your right to free speech has been violated. Freedom of speech is the freedo

> Even if algorithmic moderation blocks some of your utterances, that doesn't mean your right to free speech has been violated. Freedom of speech is the freedom (from interference) of (your) speech. An algorithm interfering with speech is no less a violation than if a human does it.

sorokod 4y ago
Yes, as if an algorithm is some sort impartial god-like entity rather than a rats nest of code constantly tweaked by the organisation that owns it.
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tgv 4y ago
A technical point: that doesn't imply you have the right to type whatever you want on some website or app. If a journalist edits an interview, is that censorship? Anyway, absolute freedom of speech doesn't exist and shouldn't exist. It's an insane idea.
- AdrianB1 4y ago
  It kind of exists in the USA. Expressing you opinion, disregarding how brilliant or dumb it is, is a freedom they have.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    The US does not have (and has never had) a doctrine of absolute free speech. Historically, we weren’t even particularly forward-thinking in our application of free expression (see: indecency laws, laws against political expression, &c).
- brigandish 4y ago
  > A technical point: that doesn't imply you have the right to type whatever you want on some website or app It's not a technical point, it's a different point. I gave a slightly expanded definition of what is freedom of speech. You are now questioning whether freedom of speech is or should be a right, and if so, under what circumstances. > If a journalist edits an interview, is that censorship? That depends on whether they edited it to censor or not, as editing is not a synonym for censoring, nor for interfering. As the Oxford English dictionary helpfully states: > interfere | ɪntəˈfɪə | > verb [no object] > 1 intervene in a situation without invitation or necessity > 2 (interfere with) prevent (a process or activity) from continuing or being carried out properly If they edit for a good reason who could claim they were interfering or censoring? > Anyway, absolute freedom of speech doesn't exist and shouldn't exist. It's an insane idea. Should it exist in your own home?

sorokod 4y ago

Yes, as if an algorithm is some sort impartial god-like entity rather than a rats nest of code constantly tweaked by the organisation that owns it.

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tgv 4y ago

A technical point: that doesn't imply you have the right to type whatever you want on some website or app. If a journalist edits an interview, is that censorship? Anyway, absolute freedom of speech doesn't exist and shouldn't exist. It's an insane idea.

AdrianB1 4y ago
It kind of exists in the USA. Expressing you opinion, disregarding how brilliant or dumb it is, is a freedom they have.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  The US does not have (and has never had) a doctrine of absolute free speech. Historically, we weren’t even particularly forward-thinking in our application of free expression (see: indecency laws, laws against political expression, &c).
brigandish 4y ago
> A technical point: that doesn't imply you have the right to type whatever you want on some website or app It's not a technical point, it's a different point. I gave a slightly expanded definition of what is freedom of speech. You are now questioning whether freedom of speech is or should be a right, and if so, under what circumstances. > If a journalist edits an interview, is that censorship? That depends on whether they edited it to censor or not, as editing is not a synonym for censoring, nor for interfering. As the Oxford English dictionary helpfully states: > interfere | ɪntəˈfɪə | > verb [no object] > 1 intervene in a situation without invitation or necessity > 2 (interfere with) prevent (a process or activity) from continuing or being carried out properly If they edit for a good reason who could claim they were interfering or censoring? > Anyway, absolute freedom of speech doesn't exist and shouldn't exist. It's an insane idea. Should it exist in your own home?