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I find this f’d up at so many levels. The instructor seems to be more concerned about how to fill out forms to report a huge amount of her own class and come up

by lysium 4y ago

I find this f’d up at so many levels. The instructor seems to be more concerned about how to fill out forms to report a huge amount of her own class and come up with (surprising the student) countermeasures than about how to teach her students. Such a huge amount of cheating is a clear indication that the whole system is flawed. This should have been the instructor’s top priority. Instead, she chose to fail her students. I was in pain while reading the article. The moment she saw what she thinks was cheating, she should have confronted the students. And frankly: why shouldn’t the students help each other? Why did everybody have to learn in solitude? She herself told the students that the midterm would consist of the same quiz questions. Of course you are trying to gather those along with the right answers. Apparently, she was short on resources (no TA) and put the burden of that problem on the self regulation of her own students. I am ashamed that this calls itself academic teaching.

Sebguer 4y ago
Your unconscious bias is showing by the fact that you think this professor is a woman. Quick edit: Also, it's very obvious that the professor had no issues with the class 'helping each other', but what was happening was people literally just sharing answers to the exam, and being completely unable to succeed without doing so. This wasn't a factor of students sharing study notes - the Professor's example is people literally just posting questions from their exams and asking what the answer was.
- lysium 4y ago
  > Your unconscious bias is showing by the fact that you think this professor is a woman. I’m wondering if you had posted the same sentence if I had used a male pronoun and which pronoun I should have used instead to not provoke an off-topic comment but at the same time not promote the idea that a professor must be male. ‚They‘ did not seem to be a good choice either.
tornato7 4y ago
The author didn’t fail all of the cheating students. Did you read to the end? Many of them ended up with an A+. That’s in fact the whole point of the article, to say that more engaging course material reduces cheating.
- lysium 4y ago
  Thank you for pointing this out! I couldn’t make it to the end. I tried several times but found it unbearable for the stated reasons.
brigandish 4y ago
Maybe, just maybe, the students - who are legally adults, by the way - should not cheat. > And frankly: why shouldn’t the students help each other? Because they're not helping each other in a way that isn't cheating. You may as well say that stealing is borrowing. > Such a huge amount of cheating is a clear indication that the whole system is flawed. The system isn't supposed to be defendable against large scale cheating because if there are that many cheats then those people should not be included in the system, which is why they should be failed (and probably kicked out). That is the defence.

by lysium 4y ago

Sebguer 4y ago

Your unconscious bias is showing by the fact that you think this professor is a woman. Quick edit: Also, it's very obvious that the professor had no issues with the class 'helping each other', but what was happening was people literally just sharing answers to the exam, and being completely unable to succeed without doing so. This wasn't a factor of students sharing study notes - the Professor's example is people literally just posting questions from their exams and asking what the answer was.

lysium 4y ago
> Your unconscious bias is showing by the fact that you think this professor is a woman. I’m wondering if you had posted the same sentence if I had used a male pronoun and which pronoun I should have used instead to not provoke an off-topic comment but at the same time not promote the idea that a professor must be male. ‚They‘ did not seem to be a good choice either.

tornato7 4y ago

The author didn’t fail all of the cheating students. Did you read to the end? Many of them ended up with an A+. That’s in fact the whole point of the article, to say that more engaging course material reduces cheating.

lysium 4y ago
Thank you for pointing this out! I couldn’t make it to the end. I tried several times but found it unbearable for the stated reasons.

brigandish 4y ago

Maybe, just maybe, the students - who are legally adults, by the way - should not cheat. > And frankly: why shouldn’t the students help each other? Because they're not helping each other in a way that isn't cheating. You may as well say that stealing is borrowing. > Such a huge amount of cheating is a clear indication that the whole system is flawed. The system isn't supposed to be defendable against large scale cheating because if there are that many cheats then those people should not be included in the system, which is why they should be failed (and probably kicked out). That is the defence.