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>I knew that my students wanted a second chance, I wasn’t sure how many of them would take it. Part of completing the academic integrity assignment was a tacit

>I knew that my students wanted a second chance, I wasn’t sure how many of them would take it. Part of completing the academic integrity assignment was a tacit admission of cheating, and some students seemed set on not admitting to anything. So, I was thrilled when I received the first completed academic integrity assignment. >What did the student have to say? There were many full sentences and as I read them I got that feeling again. So, I copied and pasted some sentences into Google, and yup, the student was plagiarizing the academic integrity assignment. Whole swaths of text verbatim copied. How broken of a person do you have to be to reflexively cheat on a simple assignment intended to give you a second chance after you’ve been caught cheating already? How can that be the first thing you go for? This is really sad. I seriously don’t understand the thinking here.

bruce343434 4y ago
Mental illness, trolling, apathy.
- jrumbut 4y ago
  Or habit, it's just your writing process at this point.
adastra22 4y ago
These people don't know how to do their own work, full stop. I've encountered the type before. They literally wouldn't know what to do.
- scotty79 4y ago
  What's interesting is those people are not necessarily maladapted to their future adult work lives. In some lines of work finding the correct stuff to use for a task is way more important than ability to create it yourself from scratch. Finding the plug that fits the given socket vs building the plug from scratch.
  - AdamH12113 4y ago
    The original cheating, maybe. Cheating, doubling down by lying, and then cheating again on the get-out-of-cheating-free assignment seems like it’s only adapted to a future life of white-collar crime.
spicyusername 4y ago
> How broken of a person do you have to be to reflexively cheat on a simple assignment intended to give you a second chance after you’ve been caught cheating already? My opinion is that most people only go to college these days because they perceive it as the only path to a good paying job, not because they are terribly interested in the material. Given that assumption, it's easy for me to understand why people would try to minimize the amount of work they have to do for something they didn't want in the first place. They are mostly just there for the "job ticket".
- the_lucifer 4y ago
  100%. People I know here at a T-20 Southern California school just cheated their way through classes, just grinded leetcode through university and have high paying FAANG jobs. It's just a matter of what you want from an university education and why you want a degree tbh.
- atraac 4y ago
  > My opinion is that most people only go to college these days because they perceive it as the only path to a good paying job, not because they are terribly interested in the material. I know most people here refer to American system and universities but my experience in Poland is, degrees, especially related to computer science, mostly teach you useless, outdated stuff, that you will never need to know. Most people here approach CS degree as something that you simply have to do to get a decent job in IT(though it's slowly changing toward not doing a degree at all), or simply because your family expects you to. Most universities here pump out diplomas to get paid by government and industry, so they can pump out more diplomas. Honestly I haven't met a single employer or even coworker that ever cared if I had CS degree. Most of stuff I learned there is 'nice to know it exists' but nothing I've ever used in real life work, most professors clearly have never even worked in the industry. Best thing that came out of my BEng in CS are friends and realization that noone cares about me so I needed to solve issues and learn on my own.
thih9 4y ago
I could imagine someone seeing this assignment as a formal requirement. And googling "integrity assignment", just like one might google how to fill out some tax related forms. Or perhaps even how people google "birthday wishes".

bruce343434 4y ago

Mental illness, trolling, apathy.

jrumbut 4y ago
Or habit, it's just your writing process at this point.

adastra22 4y ago

These people don't know how to do their own work, full stop. I've encountered the type before. They literally wouldn't know what to do.

scotty79 4y ago
What's interesting is those people are not necessarily maladapted to their future adult work lives. In some lines of work finding the correct stuff to use for a task is way more important than ability to create it yourself from scratch. Finding the plug that fits the given socket vs building the plug from scratch.
- AdamH12113 4y ago
  The original cheating, maybe. Cheating, doubling down by lying, and then cheating again on the get-out-of-cheating-free assignment seems like it’s only adapted to a future life of white-collar crime.

spicyusername 4y ago

> How broken of a person do you have to be to reflexively cheat on a simple assignment intended to give you a second chance after you’ve been caught cheating already? My opinion is that most people only go to college these days because they perceive it as the only path to a good paying job, not because they are terribly interested in the material. Given that assumption, it's easy for me to understand why people would try to minimize the amount of work they have to do for something they didn't want in the first place. They are mostly just there for the "job ticket".

the_lucifer 4y ago
100%. People I know here at a T-20 Southern California school just cheated their way through classes, just grinded leetcode through university and have high paying FAANG jobs. It's just a matter of what you want from an university education and why you want a degree tbh.
atraac 4y ago
> My opinion is that most people only go to college these days because they perceive it as the only path to a good paying job, not because they are terribly interested in the material. I know most people here refer to American system and universities but my experience in Poland is, degrees, especially related to computer science, mostly teach you useless, outdated stuff, that you will never need to know. Most people here approach CS degree as something that you simply have to do to get a decent job in IT(though it's slowly changing toward not doing a degree at all), or simply because your family expects you to. Most universities here pump out diplomas to get paid by government and industry, so they can pump out more diplomas. Honestly I haven't met a single employer or even coworker that ever cared if I had CS degree. Most of stuff I learned there is 'nice to know it exists' but nothing I've ever used in real life work, most professors clearly have never even worked in the industry. Best thing that came out of my BEng in CS are friends and realization that noone cares about me so I needed to solve issues and learn on my own.

thih9 4y ago

I could imagine someone seeing this assignment as a formal requirement. And googling "integrity assignment", just like one might google how to fill out some tax related forms. Or perhaps even how people google "birthday wishes".