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See I came out of college learning the exact opposite lesson. I optimized for learning as much as possible, and didn't care at all about grades. Turns out 90%

See I came out of college learning the exact opposite lesson. I optimized for learning as much as possible, and didn't care at all about grades. Turns out 90% of the shit I learned in college was a waste and GPA matters quite a bit. There are still jobs that's ask my GPA 10 years in. And your first job determines your second one, and I imagine I lost out on somewhere between 70-250k in compensation at least from having a bad GPA.

rbongers 4y ago
There are lots of different perspectives on education in this thread, yours included, and I respect that. It's a complicated issue, and no two people have the same experience. This is why I always tell people not to just blindly follow my path because it worked for me, that's the same as just taking the path your parents want or worse. I still want the main takeaway to be that we shouldn't necessarily always be pushing teenagers straight into College, and that something clearly needs to change.
tester756 4y ago
>And your first job determines your second one what. the. hell. I hate that mindset with passion. Folks, just skew the odds.
- apetresc 4y ago
  Huh? I legitimately can't tell what mindset you're railing against, or what "skew the odds" means in this context?
  - tester756 4y ago
    >I legitimately can't tell what mindset you're railing against Basically that there's some "chain" of dependencies, impossible to overcome when it comes to career like previously quoted statement for me sounds like good gpa -> good first job -> fast path to high tc jobs mediocre gpa -> mediocre job -> a lot of other not fancy jobs -> high tc job after a lot of years What I'm saying is that "And your first job determines your second one" is not true (except edge cases like govt jobs). You can start your career at the most unknown company in country and still manage to jump to the top companies >or what "skew the odds" means in this context? Just because the odds are not favoring you, it's still doable
    - JamesBarney 4y ago
      It's not impossible to overcome, but it does take time. Time your earning less money than you would be. Time to build up a competitive resume so you get an interview despite a lower GPA, and time to study so that when you do get the interview you leave a better impression to make up for the poor GPA.
      - tester756 4y ago
        Generally the whole "GPA" importance concept is crazy to me, because in my country I've never heard anyone ever being asked about it I don't even remember my GPA because I've seen it maybe twice - once when I received diploma and second time when I've been going thru my documents and just wanted to check out of curiosity It's so flawed metrics that I'd never even consider it as reasonable when interviewing people
        JamesBarney 4y ago
        In my early career I've had several recruiters who were very interested in me based on my resume, had several conversations and then when they found out my GPA said they couldn't place me. Also had several jobs I wanted that required a certain GPA even 5-10 years into my career.
makeitdouble 4y ago
This relates to one of the weird effect of going abroad: nobody cares, except if you’re from an elite world renown school. For some visa application the criteria was to have graduated from college, and a printed paper saying “this student graduated in 20xx” was enough. No job cared to ask what school it was, how it’s ranked or what grades, as it was out of their social ranking and they wouldn’t be able to pin it in the hierarchy. It was a good school and I enjoyed the curriculum, but really nobody cares.

rbongers 4y ago

There are lots of different perspectives on education in this thread, yours included, and I respect that. It's a complicated issue, and no two people have the same experience. This is why I always tell people not to just blindly follow my path because it worked for me, that's the same as just taking the path your parents want or worse. I still want the main takeaway to be that we shouldn't necessarily always be pushing teenagers straight into College, and that something clearly needs to change.

tester756 4y ago

>And your first job determines your second one what. the. hell. I hate that mindset with passion. Folks, just skew the odds.

apetresc 4y ago
Huh? I legitimately can't tell what mindset you're railing against, or what "skew the odds" means in this context?
- tester756 4y ago
  >I legitimately can't tell what mindset you're railing against Basically that there's some "chain" of dependencies, impossible to overcome when it comes to career like previously quoted statement for me sounds like good gpa -> good first job -> fast path to high tc jobs mediocre gpa -> mediocre job -> a lot of other not fancy jobs -> high tc job after a lot of years What I'm saying is that "And your first job determines your second one" is not true (except edge cases like govt jobs). You can start your career at the most unknown company in country and still manage to jump to the top companies >or what "skew the odds" means in this context? Just because the odds are not favoring you, it's still doable
  - JamesBarney 4y ago
    It's not impossible to overcome, but it does take time. Time your earning less money than you would be. Time to build up a competitive resume so you get an interview despite a lower GPA, and time to study so that when you do get the interview you leave a better impression to make up for the poor GPA.
    - tester756 4y ago
      Generally the whole "GPA" importance concept is crazy to me, because in my country I've never heard anyone ever being asked about it I don't even remember my GPA because I've seen it maybe twice - once when I received diploma and second time when I've been going thru my documents and just wanted to check out of curiosity It's so flawed metrics that I'd never even consider it as reasonable when interviewing people
      - JamesBarney 4y ago
        In my early career I've had several recruiters who were very interested in me based on my resume, had several conversations and then when they found out my GPA said they couldn't place me. Also had several jobs I wanted that required a certain GPA even 5-10 years into my career.

makeitdouble 4y ago

This relates to one of the weird effect of going abroad: nobody cares, except if you’re from an elite world renown school. For some visa application the criteria was to have graduated from college, and a printed paper saying “this student graduated in 20xx” was enough. No job cared to ask what school it was, how it’s ranked or what grades, as it was out of their social ranking and they wouldn’t be able to pin it in the hierarchy. It was a good school and I enjoyed the curriculum, but really nobody cares.