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I've read the entire article. The cheating was rampant. This part, however, jumped out at me: > At my most mystified, I proceeded to release a class announceme

by xpe 4y ago

I've read the entire article. The cheating was rampant. This part, however, jumped out at me: > At my most mystified, I proceeded to release a class announcement warning students not to plagiarize the academic integrity assignment. To cheat on the very assignment that is giving you a second chance is ... stupid and/or brazen and/or pitiful. So, why warn the students again? This was their second chance, right? I'm open to many reasonable definitions of justice, ethics, and fairness. However, at that point, given the context, reporting the offending students seems the most just thing to do.

sounds 4y ago
You're right. I am curious though what the frame of reference is for someone who cheats on the assignment where they promise not to cheat. Perhaps there are people who make it through life with a sense of learned helplessness or even possibly a cultural mandate - basically, something that represents a higher authority to that person than the Western standard of justice, ethics and fairness. I'm fully in favor of true justice, shared ethics and fair and compassionate treatment - that's a conversation for another time. If that's not reality for that person, then to have a teacher attempt to engage with them seems more likely to have an impact on their success in a Western society. I'd guess that failing them and possibly expelling them would not. I'm curious what you think?
- xpe 4y ago
  > I am curious though what the frame of reference is for someone who cheats on the assignment where they promise not to cheat. It seems likely their notion of a promise is non-binding. P.S. W.R.T. promises and ethics, Kant has an interesting point of view. For example: https://open.library.okstate.edu/introphilosophy/chapter/the-categorical-imperative/ https://open.library.okstate.edu/introphilosophy/chapter/the...
  - smiley1437 4y ago
    >It seems likely their notion of a promise is non-binding. They pledged it
    - karpierz 4y ago
      Sure, and people make performative pledges all the time. See EULAs, and any other document which says "sign here to get the thing you actually want".
- xpe 4y ago
  > If that's not reality for that person, then to have a teacher attempt to engage with them seems more likely to have an impact on their success in a Western society. I'd guess that failing them and possibly expelling them would not. An excellent point.
Nition 4y ago
And that assignment was only 150 words!

by xpe 4y ago

sounds 4y ago

You're right. I am curious though what the frame of reference is for someone who cheats on the assignment where they promise not to cheat. Perhaps there are people who make it through life with a sense of learned helplessness or even possibly a cultural mandate - basically, something that represents a higher authority to that person than the Western standard of justice, ethics and fairness. I'm fully in favor of true justice, shared ethics and fair and compassionate treatment - that's a conversation for another time. If that's not reality for that person, then to have a teacher attempt to engage with them seems more likely to have an impact on their success in a Western society. I'd guess that failing them and possibly expelling them would not. I'm curious what you think?

xpe 4y ago
> I am curious though what the frame of reference is for someone who cheats on the assignment where they promise not to cheat. It seems likely their notion of a promise is non-binding. P.S. W.R.T. promises and ethics, Kant has an interesting point of view. For example: https://open.library.okstate.edu/introphilosophy/chapter/the-categorical-imperative/ https://open.library.okstate.edu/introphilosophy/chapter/the...
- smiley1437 4y ago
  >It seems likely their notion of a promise is non-binding. They pledged it
  - karpierz 4y ago
    Sure, and people make performative pledges all the time. See EULAs, and any other document which says "sign here to get the thing you actually want".
xpe 4y ago
> If that's not reality for that person, then to have a teacher attempt to engage with them seems more likely to have an impact on their success in a Western society. I'd guess that failing them and possibly expelling them would not. An excellent point.

Nition 4y ago

And that assignment was only 150 words!