3 ms·

Gogoro to Launch Smart Scooters, Battery Swapping in Israel in 2022

7 points by clouddrover 4y ago

rektide 4y ago
I cannot begin to state how much I love the idea here & how much I wish the world would start to standardize batteries a bit. There's been a number of "alliances" formed over the years, recently a big one with Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, & Yamaha[1], but so far Gogoro feels like the only place in the world where medium-scale battery swapping is possible, has any traction. Random fact, in 2019 Gogoro upgraded their packs from their classic 18650 architecture to a 21700 battery, going from 1.3kWh to 1.7kWh[2]. To give some idea of their scale, I'll also share this fact from that source (Again, 2019): > Gogoro has installed 1,200 battery-swap stations throughout Taiwan, including 300 in Taipei, which will rise to 1,500 by the end of this year Early March 2022, Gogoro followed up & announced they're making some 2.5kWh solid state (Lithium-ceramic) batteries, with a company ProLogium Technology[3]! (This is not yet generally available, much less stocked at various charging stations). There's probably other good source of info, but it's interesting to quickly cruise through their GoCharger users guide[4], for at home charging. 50.3V output, can charge two batteries at once, and the plus model can output 1050W. Interestingly their new Series 2 charger is much lighter, and single battery, but tops out at 400W. Instead of being a dock, it just plugs into the newer Series 2 scooter. I'm curious what rate their street-side swap stations typically do & are capable of. The new solid-state batteries, for example, hypothetically support very high charge rates. Even if it's "only" 3C (the tech claims 5C charge rate), for these 2.5kWh cells that'd be a 7.5kW charge rate- almost exactly 10HP charge rate! Also worth noting Gogoro announced plans to go to China back in October[5]. [1] https://www.techradar.com/in/news/honda-kawasaki-suzuki-and-yamaha-form-joint-battery-swapping-company-for-evs https://www.techradar.com/in/news/honda-kawasaki-suzuki-and-... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30874219 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30874219 (16 points, 58d ago, 4 comments) [2] https://m.energytrend.com/news/view/13720.html https://m.energytrend.com/news/view/13720.html [3] https://electrek.co/2022/03/08/gogoro-unveils-the-worlds-first-ever-solid-state-swappable-electric-vehicle-battery/ https://electrek.co/2022/03/08/gogoro-unveils-the-worlds-fir... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30609332 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30609332 (3 points, 81d ago, 0 comments) [4] https://support.gogoro.com/en/manual/collections/7736206749587736/articles/115009247987/ https://support.gogoro.com/en/manual/collections/77362067495... [5] https://electrek.co/2021/10/10/gogoros-swappable-ev-batteries-enter-china-scooter-makers-unveil-compatible-new-models/ https://electrek.co/2021/10/10/gogoros-swappable-ev-batterie...
imrehg 4y ago
Just bought a Gogoro in Taiwan (VIVA MIX BELT), and it's pretty neat. The range is not as awesome as I've expected (~70km), but for around-the-town commute it's excellent (this first swap lasted almost 2 week of small trips almost every day). The biggest thing to get used to is that the riding costs are now subscription-based to a large extent (and can't get one of these scooters without a subscription, even if you were charging things at home). The riding cost adds up definitely higher than the previous "gas" scooter. But at least I feel better about the environment, and given that around us it's getting to ~10% of scooters becoming electric (mostly Gogoro, but not exclusively), I'm hoping for some air quality improvements as well. Would have some words about the design too, and their management app is pretty crap in many ways, but I wouldn't really go back to the old ICE scooters, max switch to another electric one in the future.
- Proven 4y ago
  [dead]

7 points by clouddrover 4y ago

I cannot begin to state how much I love the idea here & how much I wish the world would start to standardize batteries a bit. There's been a number of "alliances" formed over the years, recently a big one with Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, & Yamaha[1], but so far Gogoro feels like the only place in the world where medium-scale battery swapping is possible, has any traction. Random fact, in 2019 Gogoro upgraded their packs from their classic 18650 architecture to a 21700 battery, going from 1.3kWh to 1.7kWh[2]. To give some idea of their scale, I'll also share this fact from that source (Again, 2019): > Gogoro has installed 1,200 battery-swap stations throughout Taiwan, including 300 in Taipei, which will rise to 1,500 by the end of this year Early March 2022, Gogoro followed up & announced they're making some 2.5kWh solid state (Lithium-ceramic) batteries, with a company ProLogium Technology[3]! (This is not yet generally available, much less stocked at various charging stations). There's probably other good source of info, but it's interesting to quickly cruise through their GoCharger users guide[4], for at home charging. 50.3V output, can charge two batteries at once, and the plus model can output 1050W. Interestingly their new Series 2 charger is much lighter, and single battery, but tops out at 400W. Instead of being a dock, it just plugs into the newer Series 2 scooter. I'm curious what rate their street-side swap stations typically do & are capable of. The new solid-state batteries, for example, hypothetically support very high charge rates. Even if it's "only" 3C (the tech claims 5C charge rate), for these 2.5kWh cells that'd be a 7.5kW charge rate- almost exactly 10HP charge rate! Also worth noting Gogoro announced plans to go to China back in October[5]. [1] https://www.techradar.com/in/news/honda-kawasaki-suzuki-and-yamaha-form-joint-battery-swapping-company-for-evs https://www.techradar.com/in/news/honda-kawasaki-suzuki-and-... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30874219 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30874219 (16 points, 58d ago, 4 comments) [2] https://m.energytrend.com/news/view/13720.html https://m.energytrend.com/news/view/13720.html [3] https://electrek.co/2022/03/08/gogoro-unveils-the-worlds-first-ever-solid-state-swappable-electric-vehicle-battery/ https://electrek.co/2022/03/08/gogoro-unveils-the-worlds-fir... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30609332 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30609332 (3 points, 81d ago, 0 comments) [4] https://support.gogoro.com/en/manual/collections/7736206749587736/articles/115009247987/ https://support.gogoro.com/en/manual/collections/77362067495... [5] https://electrek.co/2021/10/10/gogoros-swappable-ev-batteries-enter-china-scooter-makers-unveil-compatible-new-models/ https://electrek.co/2021/10/10/gogoros-swappable-ev-batterie...

imrehg 4y ago

Just bought a Gogoro in Taiwan (VIVA MIX BELT), and it's pretty neat. The range is not as awesome as I've expected (~70km), but for around-the-town commute it's excellent (this first swap lasted almost 2 week of small trips almost every day). The biggest thing to get used to is that the riding costs are now subscription-based to a large extent (and can't get one of these scooters without a subscription, even if you were charging things at home). The riding cost adds up definitely higher than the previous "gas" scooter. But at least I feel better about the environment, and given that around us it's getting to ~10% of scooters becoming electric (mostly Gogoro, but not exclusively), I'm hoping for some air quality improvements as well. Would have some words about the design too, and their management app is pretty crap in many ways, but I wouldn't really go back to the old ICE scooters, max switch to another electric one in the future.

Proven 4y ago
[dead]