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Get real, you obviously dont know how organised crime works.

endisneigh 4y ago
You have proof of these incredible claims - seems crazy to think Google/Microsoft are stealing private data? I know some folks at the NYT if you can provide credible evidence.
- fartcannon 4y ago
  Who do you know at NYT?
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    I know someone who knows some folks there (nobody well known, just professional contacts in IT). But I don't think it actually is all that useful (or impressive, six degrees to Kevin Bacon, right?) anyway, if somebody has actual credible tips that could lead to a big story, they should just go to https://www.nytimes.com/tips https://www.nytimes.com/tips and contact them through Signal or whatever.
    - Terry_Roll 4y ago
      I'm sure you have heard the phrase, "accidents happen"? You need to stop having the wool pulled over your eyes, its so naive.
      - bee_rider 4y ago
        Good point -- I should stop being so naive and put more faith in the conspiracy theories of strangers from the internet.
        Terry_Roll 4y ago
        A valid debating technique is to introduce doubt. Cognitive Dissonance is a powerful psychological tool. Read this and learn! The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.) https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
        fartcannon 4y ago
        Hey, nice link and thanks for being supportive of reality. I think HN should, by default, assume all posters that are PRO megacorps/governments/rich - any person or group that could afford to hire shills - are paid shills. Change the color of their names or something. That way, they need to prove that what they're saying is actually valuable and not just shilling, instead of the way it currently runs where PR is trusted by default. What's the harm in that, you know? The worst that would happen is that corporations would have a hard time astroturfing. The best that would happen is there'd be less PR.
        bee_rider 4y ago
        I don't think aiming to just introduce doubt is a valid debate technique. It is a good way to disrupt productive conversation and ruin debate, though. You've linked to a website about, essentially, derailing discussions. You should stop using those as advice on how to make arguments. Throwing around evidence-less accusations just adds to the confusion, and bad actors are better at exploiting confusion than honest people.
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        Terry_Roll 4y ago
        Well you used to be able to use Google to find all the websites that the 5 eyes were seeding conversations on! All you had to do was copy one of the opening paragraphs from a thread on a forum website like dosbods.co.uk or housepricecrash.co.uk and then paste it into Google and then you could see the exact same starting conversations, word for word taking place on a variety of websites, like pistonheads, mumsnet and others. The press help elevate websites like mumsnet to help with the "consensus cracking" aka psychological manipulation. Different avatars, but the conversations always started off word for word identical because invariably non spooky sock puppets ie members of the public would join in the conversation so then it would deviate off. This is one of the methods to phish people. The spooks were on house price crash because they wanted to know why people on there were hoping for a crash. The reason being is maslow's heirachy of needs, suggests shelter is one of the basic needs, so mortgages are a way of controlling people en-masse which we have seen since the late 90's with property prices going through the roof and endless hours of property porn on tv. Northern Rock 125% mortgages showed people would over extend themselves for the idea that on paper they were rich and gambling on capital appreciation without realising tax rules may change in the future. Its one of the many many ways the so called free press have played their part in manipulating and controlling the public, along with the banks lending without caution etc etc, but this is the beuaty of the hierarchical structure of control, beit employment or other entities which control everyone's lives. I've actually met former head of MI5 Andrew Parker, in Bishop's Stortford, but I didnt know him, I only recognised him when he did a speech on terrorism some years later that was broadcast on the BBC 6 o clock news. What was interesting is he used his real life accent when talking to me, but used the BBC Received Pronunciation when doing the speech on Terrorism. I also met James Brokenshire MP then Tory housing minister, with Dame Stella Rimmington & Baron Jonathan Evans at the pump house at Wastwater, Scafell Pike, the day after Theresa May called the election! It was their way of telling me they were operating on Housepricecrash.co.uk. Why else would they drag the govt housing minister up to Scafell Pike when he was supposed to be off getting lung cancer treatment!?! Its the spooks job to protect the economy, so phishing people looking for a housing crash is one remit, however they didnt realise they were giving themselves away in more ways than one! I'm always reminded the smallest of viruses can kill the largest of hosts! ROFL
- Terry_Roll 4y ago
  Nah the house has been entered without permission hard drives wiped, been shot at, few attempts on my life, threatened countless times, you obviously live in lala land! You dont run a country by being nice you know!

You have proof of these incredible claims - seems crazy to think Google/Microsoft are stealing private data? I know some folks at the NYT if you can provide credible evidence.

fartcannon 4y ago
Who do you know at NYT?
- bee_rider 4y ago
  I know someone who knows some folks there (nobody well known, just professional contacts in IT). But I don't think it actually is all that useful (or impressive, six degrees to Kevin Bacon, right?) anyway, if somebody has actual credible tips that could lead to a big story, they should just go to https://www.nytimes.com/tips https://www.nytimes.com/tips and contact them through Signal or whatever.
  - Terry_Roll 4y ago
    I'm sure you have heard the phrase, "accidents happen"? You need to stop having the wool pulled over your eyes, its so naive.
    - bee_rider 4y ago
      Good point -- I should stop being so naive and put more faith in the conspiracy theories of strangers from the internet.
      - Terry_Roll 4y ago
        A valid debating technique is to introduce doubt. Cognitive Dissonance is a powerful psychological tool. Read this and learn! The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.) https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
        fartcannon 4y ago
        Hey, nice link and thanks for being supportive of reality. I think HN should, by default, assume all posters that are PRO megacorps/governments/rich - any person or group that could afford to hire shills - are paid shills. Change the color of their names or something. That way, they need to prove that what they're saying is actually valuable and not just shilling, instead of the way it currently runs where PR is trusted by default. What's the harm in that, you know? The worst that would happen is that corporations would have a hard time astroturfing. The best that would happen is there'd be less PR.
        bee_rider 4y ago
        I don't think aiming to just introduce doubt is a valid debate technique. It is a good way to disrupt productive conversation and ruin debate, though. You've linked to a website about, essentially, derailing discussions. You should stop using those as advice on how to make arguments. Throwing around evidence-less accusations just adds to the confusion, and bad actors are better at exploiting confusion than honest people.
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        Terry_Roll 4y ago
        Well you used to be able to use Google to find all the websites that the 5 eyes were seeding conversations on! All you had to do was copy one of the opening paragraphs from a thread on a forum website like dosbods.co.uk or housepricecrash.co.uk and then paste it into Google and then you could see the exact same starting conversations, word for word taking place on a variety of websites, like pistonheads, mumsnet and others. The press help elevate websites like mumsnet to help with the "consensus cracking" aka psychological manipulation. Different avatars, but the conversations always started off word for word identical because invariably non spooky sock puppets ie members of the public would join in the conversation so then it would deviate off. This is one of the methods to phish people. The spooks were on house price crash because they wanted to know why people on there were hoping for a crash. The reason being is maslow's heirachy of needs, suggests shelter is one of the basic needs, so mortgages are a way of controlling people en-masse which we have seen since the late 90's with property prices going through the roof and endless hours of property porn on tv. Northern Rock 125% mortgages showed people would over extend themselves for the idea that on paper they were rich and gambling on capital appreciation without realising tax rules may change in the future. Its one of the many many ways the so called free press have played their part in manipulating and controlling the public, along with the banks lending without caution etc etc, but this is the beuaty of the hierarchical structure of control, beit employment or other entities which control everyone's lives. I've actually met former head of MI5 Andrew Parker, in Bishop's Stortford, but I didnt know him, I only recognised him when he did a speech on terrorism some years later that was broadcast on the BBC 6 o clock news. What was interesting is he used his real life accent when talking to me, but used the BBC Received Pronunciation when doing the speech on Terrorism. I also met James Brokenshire MP then Tory housing minister, with Dame Stella Rimmington & Baron Jonathan Evans at the pump house at Wastwater, Scafell Pike, the day after Theresa May called the election! It was their way of telling me they were operating on Housepricecrash.co.uk. Why else would they drag the govt housing minister up to Scafell Pike when he was supposed to be off getting lung cancer treatment!?! Its the spooks job to protect the economy, so phishing people looking for a housing crash is one remit, however they didnt realise they were giving themselves away in more ways than one! I'm always reminded the smallest of viruses can kill the largest of hosts! ROFL
Terry_Roll 4y ago
Nah the house has been entered without permission hard drives wiped, been shot at, few attempts on my life, threatened countless times, you obviously live in lala land! You dont run a country by being nice you know!