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The people who are moving out of California are the ones with lower incomes, who do not own homes, and get priced out as they can no longer afford rents. I wou

The people who are moving out of California are the ones with lower incomes, who do not own homes, and get priced out as they can no longer afford rents. I would not say that these are the people that "ruined" California in any way. Those who can take responsibility for the state of California are those who have more power and money: the homeowners.

egberts1 4y ago
LOL! Let me digress with you right there. Middle-class, by its inherent virtue, are very mobile and adaptive. Lower-class, not so much.
- FollowingTheDao 4y ago
  Cmon now, under neoliberalism it is always the "poors" that are the problem...
  - egberts1 4y ago
    The “poor” are not a problem as long as there are middle-class to fund them.
- epistasis 4y ago
  How do you define middle-class and lower-class? Education? Income? Place your markers on here: https://lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/265 https://lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/265
PaywallBuster 4y ago
Would be interesting to see numbers on that Could be that many (or a significant portion) are part of the "tech" elite who has kept a job for the past 2 years and it's optimizing their "costs" by moving to a more advantaged area? While other people, may be getting better prices now that the bubble is deflating?
- epistasis 4y ago
  I don't have any data from the pandemic, but the trend for the two decades before that has been very strong: https://lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/265 https://lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/265 Lower incomes, and younger. The people least able to afford houses.
FollowingTheDao 4y ago
Funny you all think I am blaming the "rich". I am not, I am blaming a mindset. This is a mindset held by rich, middle-class, and poor alike. If you all can tell me why, if not for the people, that California is suffering so much (homelessness, drought, wildfires) I am open to a suggestion.
- epistasis 4y ago
  I didn't see you blaming a mindset, I see you blaming the people that were leaving. I would like to hear the mindset you blame. Personally, I blame the mindset of trying to keep people out, keep people away, and of not welcoming all the infrastructural changes we need in order to accommodate population growth from immigration. To me that means more dense, mixed use housing, in transit corridors. And when I say transit corridor I don't mean freeways, I mean trains and maybe busses. This lack of housing is the direct cause of nearly all our homelessness. We just don't have places for people, so tons and tons of people have commutes longer than they should be (more traffic), and tons of people crowd into homes that are way too small. Homelessness is just the most visible end route of that. The more expensive housing is, the greater flow of people into homelessness. It's not poverty rates that cause this, it's high housing costs. And the only only only way to deal with the high housing costs is to get rid of the idea that we have to keep people out, and start building tons of dense housing. Dense housing greatly reduces water usage while accommodating more people. Another mindset I blame is giving everything to somebody just because they got their first. So that's why we have farmers, who use 80% of CA water, growing massive amounts of alfalfa, instead of allowing people to use that water. Drought and wildfire are the consequences of climate change. That is definitely the fault of those with the mindset that everybody has to drive and live in isolated single family homes, to the point that they ban apartment buildings in nearly all of the state.

egberts1 4y ago

LOL! Let me digress with you right there. Middle-class, by its inherent virtue, are very mobile and adaptive. Lower-class, not so much.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago
Cmon now, under neoliberalism it is always the "poors" that are the problem...
- egberts1 4y ago
  The “poor” are not a problem as long as there are middle-class to fund them.
epistasis 4y ago
How do you define middle-class and lower-class? Education? Income? Place your markers on here: https://lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/265 https://lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/265

PaywallBuster 4y ago

Would be interesting to see numbers on that Could be that many (or a significant portion) are part of the "tech" elite who has kept a job for the past 2 years and it's optimizing their "costs" by moving to a more advantaged area? While other people, may be getting better prices now that the bubble is deflating?

epistasis 4y ago
I don't have any data from the pandemic, but the trend for the two decades before that has been very strong: https://lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/265 https://lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/265 Lower incomes, and younger. The people least able to afford houses.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago

Funny you all think I am blaming the "rich". I am not, I am blaming a mindset. This is a mindset held by rich, middle-class, and poor alike. If you all can tell me why, if not for the people, that California is suffering so much (homelessness, drought, wildfires) I am open to a suggestion.

epistasis 4y ago
I didn't see you blaming a mindset, I see you blaming the people that were leaving. I would like to hear the mindset you blame. Personally, I blame the mindset of trying to keep people out, keep people away, and of not welcoming all the infrastructural changes we need in order to accommodate population growth from immigration. To me that means more dense, mixed use housing, in transit corridors. And when I say transit corridor I don't mean freeways, I mean trains and maybe busses. This lack of housing is the direct cause of nearly all our homelessness. We just don't have places for people, so tons and tons of people have commutes longer than they should be (more traffic), and tons of people crowd into homes that are way too small. Homelessness is just the most visible end route of that. The more expensive housing is, the greater flow of people into homelessness. It's not poverty rates that cause this, it's high housing costs. And the only only only way to deal with the high housing costs is to get rid of the idea that we have to keep people out, and start building tons of dense housing. Dense housing greatly reduces water usage while accommodating more people. Another mindset I blame is giving everything to somebody just because they got their first. So that's why we have farmers, who use 80% of CA water, growing massive amounts of alfalfa, instead of allowing people to use that water. Drought and wildfire are the consequences of climate change. That is definitely the fault of those with the mindset that everybody has to drive and live in isolated single family homes, to the point that they ban apartment buildings in nearly all of the state.