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The one where countries/states without vaccines had a way better outcome in terms of infections and deaths.

by daliz 4y ago

turtledove 4y ago
What the fuck are you talking about? The data shows the opposite: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi... Note the states with the highest death rates had lower vaccine uptake.
- daliz 4y ago
  Sweden. No masks, lowest vaccine uptake in Europe. Result: best outcome in Europe.
  - turtledove 4y ago
    Germany, Switzerland, Ireland, the Netherlands, Denmark and several other European countries had lower mortality rates than Sweden. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
    - daliz 4y ago
      Countries with mandatory vaccines had the worst mortality.
      - turtledove 4y ago
        Got any goalposts you aren't gonna move around?
  - manuelabeledo 4y ago
    Best? Not even close. It had the worst economic impact of all the Nordic region.
- VLM 4y ago
  That link is just a list of states ordered by obesity. "Lifestyle effects" of age and obesity have an overwhelming effect on covid mortality, far beyond the smaller effect of vax. It would be interesting to see the data corrected for bodyweight. Certainly if I moved from CO to MS it would alter the state stats for both obesity and covid outcomes, but have zero effect on my personal outcome, so a list of states ordered by obesity is not an actionable item WRT making personal medical choices.
  - turtledove 4y ago
    Unbelievable. Parent poster said "least vaccines; best outcomes", the data literally disagrees with that analysis. Then you are like, "well, I don't like that data, so I'm going to ignore Occam's Razer." My dude, that's not "just" a list of states ordered by obesity. It's a list of states ordered by how much they masked and vaccinated. You are attempting to ignore the most obvious correlation (masks and vaccines impact viral transmission rates).

The one where countries/states without vaccines had a way better outcome in terms of infections and deaths.

by daliz 4y ago

The one where countries/states without vaccines had a way better outcome in terms of infections and deaths.

What the fuck are you talking about? The data shows the opposite: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi... Note the states with the highest death rates had lower vaccine uptake.

daliz 4y ago
Sweden. No masks, lowest vaccine uptake in Europe. Result: best outcome in Europe.
- turtledove 4y ago
  Germany, Switzerland, Ireland, the Netherlands, Denmark and several other European countries had lower mortality rates than Sweden. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
  - daliz 4y ago
    Countries with mandatory vaccines had the worst mortality.
    - turtledove 4y ago
      Got any goalposts you aren't gonna move around?
- manuelabeledo 4y ago
  Best? Not even close. It had the worst economic impact of all the Nordic region.
VLM 4y ago
That link is just a list of states ordered by obesity. "Lifestyle effects" of age and obesity have an overwhelming effect on covid mortality, far beyond the smaller effect of vax. It would be interesting to see the data corrected for bodyweight. Certainly if I moved from CO to MS it would alter the state stats for both obesity and covid outcomes, but have zero effect on my personal outcome, so a list of states ordered by obesity is not an actionable item WRT making personal medical choices.
- turtledove 4y ago
  Unbelievable. Parent poster said "least vaccines; best outcomes", the data literally disagrees with that analysis. Then you are like, "well, I don't like that data, so I'm going to ignore Occam's Razer." My dude, that's not "just" a list of states ordered by obesity. It's a list of states ordered by how much they masked and vaccinated. You are attempting to ignore the most obvious correlation (masks and vaccines impact viral transmission rates).