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It took me days to set up my team’s CI/CD pipeline with GitHub’s existing features. If I started from a simple mailing list, it would take months of full-time w

by plonk 4y ago

It took me days to set up my team’s CI/CD pipeline with GitHub’s existing features. If I started from a simple mailing list, it would take months of full-time work to add automated build steps with dependencies between steps, caching, secure secret management, proper authentication, a practical issue database, and link that to my git repo. At that point, I would have a completely new product that takes a full-time maintainer and has the same complexity as the big players. It would be more efficient to fork GitLab. I think you don’t realize how wasteful that is. And what’s the point? There’s already a well-maintained FOSS self-hosted solution that benefits from not being based on antiquated technologies.

kkfx 4y ago
At that point you might have discovered not needing at all 99% of DevOps concepts, and that probably they exists because they help some making profits not because are good ideas. In that terms, it's OT and very long to discuss here, my opinion is that's about time to ERASE 30+ years of IT crappy history to start back at pioneering time Xerox PARC for instance where ALL we use today was invented and implemented far better than now, where their antiquated technologies are actually far more advanced than most we use everyday calling them new and advanced. An OS must came back to a unique fully-integrated environment, with a single programming language, no matter if Lisp, Smalltalk or something else, applications simply do not exists, are just built-in functionality we develop inside the system, deploy is just pushing code to available instances etc. Such VERY ancient model is actually far more advanced than modern one, demand far less efforts and resources giving back far more. It's not there because at a certain point in time IBM decide that compartmentalization and crap made profit and modern IT giants understand that very well going far beyond.

by plonk 4y ago

kkfx 4y ago

At that point you might have discovered not needing at all 99% of DevOps concepts, and that probably they exists because they help some making profits not because are good ideas. In that terms, it's OT and very long to discuss here, my opinion is that's about time to ERASE 30+ years of IT crappy history to start back at pioneering time Xerox PARC for instance where ALL we use today was invented and implemented far better than now, where their antiquated technologies are actually far more advanced than most we use everyday calling them new and advanced. An OS must came back to a unique fully-integrated environment, with a single programming language, no matter if Lisp, Smalltalk or something else, applications simply do not exists, are just built-in functionality we develop inside the system, deploy is just pushing code to available instances etc. Such VERY ancient model is actually far more advanced than modern one, demand far less efforts and resources giving back far more. It's not there because at a certain point in time IBM decide that compartmentalization and crap made profit and modern IT giants understand that very well going far beyond.