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You're going to put off UK customers having language icons, with English with a USA flag and Welsh with a UK flag. Many people who speak Welsh would probably ra

by veltas 4y ago

You're going to put off UK customers having language icons, with English with a USA flag and Welsh with a UK flag. Many people who speak Welsh would probably rather associate Welsh with the Welsh flag. Likewise it's confusing or sometimes annoying to see English listed with the USA flag. I would honestly recommend not having flags for languages because this probably isn't the only such issue. Languages are not countries.

shirdel87 4y ago
Hey Veltas, Thanks for the feedback. Since this is our first launch with a wide range of languages, the only way to improve it, is hearing and implementing.
- rambambram 4y ago
  Same for Dutch (which has the Belgian flag) and Frisian (which has the Dutch flag). I'm not offended by it, just a good laugh. I would suggest to skip Frisian, and give the Dutch and Belgian their own flag back. ;) Edit: nevermind, this has been said before, I see now. By the way, your homepage loaded quickly for me and I like the style and animations. Good luck!
- gpgn 4y ago
  Btw, in macOS Monetery 12.4 Apple also removed country flags for keyboard input.
franciscop 4y ago
I disagree with the first part, flags English (UK), Spanish (Spain), etc. are actually really helpful when there's more than 2-3 languages. Saying English is from England/UK is as offensive as calling it "Engl-ish", a non-issue AFAIK. That said, your second part of Welsh is totally right, Spanish should be "Español" and not "Española" (since "lenguaje" in Spanish is male), and def Basque should not have the Spanish flag, and Catalan should not have the Andorra flag (even if it's the only country that has it as the official language), instead they should have their local Basque Country and Catalonian flags: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basques#Culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basques#Culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia
- j_french 4y ago
  The UK flag can be a somewhat loaded symbol for native English speakers from England's former colonies (like Ireland, where I'm from). I'd rather not have to use it to select my language preference, but I'm not going to waste energy jumping up and down shouting on the internet about it either. A minor annoyance I guess.
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  - biorach 4y ago
    Also Irish, agree 100%. Every time I have to click on the UK flag to select my language preference I have a quiet "ugh" moment, then click on the damn flag and move on with my life.
    - graderjs 4y ago
      Agree this is a strange oversight of i18n language selection UI in general. We have English ({US, Australia, Canada, United Kingdom}) as relatively standard language choices why not add Scotland, Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland and Wales. I think there's probably even more... We also have Chinese ({Hong Kong, China, Taiwan}) as fairly standard choices for somewhat similar reasons. I think country variations for Arabic also exist. The lack of completeness in general (not this site specifically) is inexcusable.
  - veltas 4y ago
    Yeah as I said the best thing is to remove the flag, because languages aren't flags. As someone else said, just put the language name in its own language. I'm not jumping up and down annoyed, I'm not even really annoyed, I just wanted to share this cultural insight that IMO was indicative of a larger issue of having flags at all.
    - shirdel87 4y ago
      We do respect to the cultures. The guys here are right about not using flags.
tgv 4y ago
It seems to auto-translate based on the flag you click. I got this (translated back): > Make your online store through deny code and deny expert needed solution. The home button gets translated to "at home". There's actually a ton of badly translated text. It might seem only a bit silly, but it's really a bad low-code demo.
- veltas 4y ago
  Yeah at this point, if English isn't your first language you probably know how to auto translate a website if you need to. Shouldn't offer other languages if they aren't manually translated.
pajuhaan 4y ago
OMG guys, It's a controversial topic! I totally removed flags from languages to save everyone. +++thanks! 100% True point.

by veltas 4y ago

shirdel87 4y ago

Hey Veltas, Thanks for the feedback. Since this is our first launch with a wide range of languages, the only way to improve it, is hearing and implementing.

rambambram 4y ago
Same for Dutch (which has the Belgian flag) and Frisian (which has the Dutch flag). I'm not offended by it, just a good laugh. I would suggest to skip Frisian, and give the Dutch and Belgian their own flag back. ;) Edit: nevermind, this has been said before, I see now. By the way, your homepage loaded quickly for me and I like the style and animations. Good luck!
gpgn 4y ago
Btw, in macOS Monetery 12.4 Apple also removed country flags for keyboard input.

franciscop 4y ago

I disagree with the first part, flags English (UK), Spanish (Spain), etc. are actually really helpful when there's more than 2-3 languages. Saying English is from England/UK is as offensive as calling it "Engl-ish", a non-issue AFAIK. That said, your second part of Welsh is totally right, Spanish should be "Español" and not "Española" (since "lenguaje" in Spanish is male), and def Basque should not have the Spanish flag, and Catalan should not have the Andorra flag (even if it's the only country that has it as the official language), instead they should have their local Basque Country and Catalonian flags: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basques#Culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basques#Culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia

j_french 4y ago
The UK flag can be a somewhat loaded symbol for native English speakers from England's former colonies (like Ireland, where I'm from). I'd rather not have to use it to select my language preference, but I'm not going to waste energy jumping up and down shouting on the internet about it either. A minor annoyance I guess.
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- biorach 4y ago
  Also Irish, agree 100%. Every time I have to click on the UK flag to select my language preference I have a quiet "ugh" moment, then click on the damn flag and move on with my life.
  - graderjs 4y ago
    Agree this is a strange oversight of i18n language selection UI in general. We have English ({US, Australia, Canada, United Kingdom}) as relatively standard language choices why not add Scotland, Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland and Wales. I think there's probably even more... We also have Chinese ({Hong Kong, China, Taiwan}) as fairly standard choices for somewhat similar reasons. I think country variations for Arabic also exist. The lack of completeness in general (not this site specifically) is inexcusable.
- veltas 4y ago
  Yeah as I said the best thing is to remove the flag, because languages aren't flags. As someone else said, just put the language name in its own language. I'm not jumping up and down annoyed, I'm not even really annoyed, I just wanted to share this cultural insight that IMO was indicative of a larger issue of having flags at all.
  - shirdel87 4y ago
    We do respect to the cultures. The guys here are right about not using flags.

tgv 4y ago

It seems to auto-translate based on the flag you click. I got this (translated back): > Make your online store through deny code and deny expert needed solution. The home button gets translated to "at home". There's actually a ton of badly translated text. It might seem only a bit silly, but it's really a bad low-code demo.

veltas 4y ago
Yeah at this point, if English isn't your first language you probably know how to auto translate a website if you need to. Shouldn't offer other languages if they aren't manually translated.

pajuhaan 4y ago

OMG guys, It's a controversial topic! I totally removed flags from languages to save everyone. +++thanks! 100% True point.