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As Ive said for over a year now - CS grads cant get hired. Companies are not knocking on their door. Unis have to go out of their way to get companies to even a
by devwastaken 4y ago
As Ive said for over a year now - CS grads cant get hired. Companies are not knocking on their door. Unis have to go out of their way to get companies to even associate.
What you hear of big hiring is select schools in select places.
Corps want experienced devs, they do not want to create experienced devs. They get away with this because there's no standards like any other field of engineering. We don't band together and create avenues for education, employment and advancement. This is largely the fault of existing devs knowing the above to be true, and they want it for themselves despite harming the market overall.
Degrees have largely become meaningless. Uni's have become democratic political battlegrounds that push activism above academics. There isn't anything learned in a 4 year degree that you couldn't get with a healthy appetite for YouTube. But they're just adult daycares for parents that think the system will work for their kids. I say that as someone whom unfortunately has to work at such a place.
- DeathArrow 4y ago>There isn't anything learned in a 4 year degree that you couldn't get with a healthy appetite for YouTube. But they're just adult daycares for parents that think the system will work for their kids. Would you rather go to a surgery with a doctor who "learned" by watching YouTube or with one spent his time in University and residency? The state of political activism eating from the inside and destroying the higher learning in US is pretty sad. But the reaction to that shouldn't stopping learning but kicking political activism out from schools.
- throwaway675309 4y agoAs a senior in software development, I frequently help out with the recruitment side of whatever companies I'm employed with, and an applicant with a formally accredited degree in computer science definitely stands out as a strong signal to pursue a potential interview with them. I know at least nominally they'll have some passing familiarity with simulations, discrete mathematics, linear algebra, data structures and algorithms. You can learn all of this information on your own but it's more difficult for me to verify. While this is not as true if I'm looking to hire a senior engineer, it is significantly more important for entry level positions.
- pharmakom 4y agoMy 4 year degree had some hard theoretical CS content. Yes I could have learned it all on YouTube or whatever, but I did the assignments and the exams so I have proven I could learn the stuff - of course it’s all pretty rusty now. I see a quality degree as a great signal when hiring, and I don’t just mean a few elite schools. If evaluating a degree from somewhere I haven’t heard of, I will poke around the course website a little.
- BlargMcLarg 4y agoI don't think my degrees are worthless either, as at the very least they exposed me to certain types of content. However, my experiences (non-SV) have been that even if these degrees show one can pick up difficult things fast, hiring managers basically wave it off. They are looking for individuals who can effectively step into most of their (absurdly bloated) tech stack by tomorrow. Maybe it's another story in SV/US, but capacity to learn seems to be about as useful to hiring managers as knowing how to bake eggs.
- pharmakom 4y agoThis is a huge market inefficiency being exploited by firms like Jane Street.
- DeathArrow 4y agoCan you you develop this a bit farther? How is it being exploited?